End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[rdp]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Right. No definitions regarding the ministry of evangelist/preacher given by Paul. None. Jesus first defined it. It is a ministry given to ALL, men and women. Yes, in Acts 8 ... much as RDP will not admit ... that verse does include both men and women preaching. Men and women went to prison, and men and women went about preaching.

Ummm, specifically where does Acts 8 state that women were preaching-teaching men in the church:____________?


How can I "admit" what does not exist in the biblical data?


The early church also included infants - guess they were equally "preaching the gospel" !


Lemme' Guess - I "did not answer you"...right ??

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

and I did say I was going to paste.....nothing wrong with that...
NO WHERE in the BIBLE does it say a woman cannot preach...but it does say, GO ye into all the world and preach....and it dows say those that were scattered abroad went everywhere preaching. ....

Yes, Sister Alvear - the Bible very clearly forbids women from "preaching/teaching" men in the church - could not be clearer & you've been caught making innumerable textual mistakes already .


New International Version
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

New Living Translation
I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly.

English Standard Version
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

New American Standard Bible
But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.

King James Bible
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; instead, she is to be silent.

International Standard Version
Moreover, in the area of teaching, I am not allowing a woman to instigate conflict toward a man. Instead, she is to remain calm.

NET Bible
But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man. She must remain quiet.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For I do not allow a woman to teach, neither to usurp over a man, but she should be quiet;

GOD'S WORD® Translation
I don't allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. Instead, she should be quiet.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For I do not allow a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over a mature man, but to be at rest.

King James 2000 Bible
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have authority over the man, but to be in silence.

American King James Version
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

American Standard Version
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence.

Darby Bible Translation
but I do not suffer a woman to teach nor to exercise authority over man, but to be in quietness;

English Revised Version
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

Webster's Bible Translation
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Weymouth New Testament
I do not permit a woman to teach, nor have authority over a man, but she must remain silent.

World English Bible
But I don't permit a woman to teach, nor to exercise authority over a man, but to be in quietness.








You're simply (& stubbornly) refusing to accept the biblical witness.

[Sasha]

That's why I won't answer his posts when he asks if I believe the scripture he posted. He doesn't even believe it himself. LOL!

If women are to be silent in church, let them be silent. That means NO TALKING, SINGING, nothing but SILENCE!!

LOL!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

That's why I won't answer his posts when he asks if I believe the scripture he posted. He doesn't even believe it himself. LOL!

If women are to be silent in church, let them be silent. That means NO TALKING, SINGING, nothing but SILENCE!!

LOL!

[COLOR="Blue"] - Anything to skirt the issue 'eh! LOL - Have already answered this sophmoric objection over & over & over & over & over.



Ready? Y'all read reeeeeeeallllll slow 'kay?



The context is specifically dealing with both the gifts of the Spirit & someone taking the floor to speak. In that "context" (did y'all catch that?) Paul forbids women from officially speaking to the church. Did y'all not read that I pointed out that the verb "speak" in I Cor. 14.34 is also translated as "preach" many times elsewhere?


But, hey, anything to get around the biblical evidence 'eh:


New International Version
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

New Living Translation
I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly.

English Standard Version
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

New American Standard Bible
But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.

King James Bible
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; instead, she is to be silent.

International Standard Version
Moreover, in the area of teaching, I am not allowing a woman to instigate conflict toward a man. Instead, she is to remain calm.

NET Bible
But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man. She must remain quiet.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For I do not allow a woman to teach, neither to usurp over a man, but she should be quiet;

GOD'S WORD® Translation
I don't allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. Instead, she should be quiet.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For I do not allow a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over a mature man, but to be at rest.

King James 2000 Bible
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have authority over the man, but to be in silence.

American King James Version
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

American Standard Version
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence.

Darby Bible Translation
but I do not suffer a woman to teach nor to exercise authority over man, but to be in quietness;

English Revised Version
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

Webster's Bible Translation
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Weymouth New Testament
I do not permit a woman to teach, nor have authority over a man, but she must remain silent.

World English Bible
But I don't permit a woman to teach, nor to exercise authority over a man, but to be in quietness.




Now, would someone please address Dr. Wallace's email regarding the syntax of I Timothy 2.12 ?


Gune and aner are words which mean 'adult female' and 'adult male' in their unmarked meanings. Only if there are sufficient contextual clues that husband and wife are in view do the words mean 'wife' and 'husband.' The definite article or 'idios' (one's own) or a possessive pronoun is required to show that husband and wife are in the text. None of these things occur in 1 Tim 2. The article occurs in 1 Cor 11, but only because it is syntactically required by the construction. Both passages are clearly talking about the Christian community in worship, which would of course involve single adults and married couples. Take a look at other passages that are clearly speaking about husband and wife--e.g., Eph 5, 1 Peter 3--and you'll see that they use these signals to note that husband and wife are in view.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Sasha

RDP, Sis. Alvear is sick with pneumonia. Will you be praying for her today? Will you have your church pray for her today?

He's said he would. You understand people can disagree over certain issues, but still respect and pray for each other. I know it's a foreign concept in this divisive age, but it's true.

All I've read of RDP is while he disagrees on this issue, he still loves, respects and prays for Sis Alvear. IIRC, he's even financially supported their missionary work.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by n david

He's said he would. You understand people can disagree over certain issues, but still respect and pray for each other. I know it's a foreign concept in this divisive age, but it's true.

All I've read of RDP is while he disagrees on this issue, he still loves, respects and prays for Sis Alvear. IIRC, he's even financially supported their missionary work.

[Sister Alvear]

and we deeply appreciate that.

[Roxanne Murphy]

Wow, rdp, it is okay to read things into the scriptures that aren't there (as in uncut hair on women), but NOT okay to read what the scripture DOES teach about women preachers?
In the Ephesians 4:11-12 definition of the five fold ministry, the Greek word from which we translate prophet simply means "an inspired speaker". This fits with the fulfilling of Joel's prophecy referenced by Peter on the day of Pentecost (see Acts 2:17-18) the Greek word translated "prophesy" means to foretell events, to divine, to speak under inspiration, exercise the prophetic office.
In Acts 21:8-9, Paul and company stayed with Philip the evangelist and his four daughters which did prophesy (same Greek word as used in Acts 2:17-18). There is no mention of Paul telling Philip or his daughters that they were out of order, and I would expect to see this if they were disobeying what you claim to be Paul's teaching against women preachers.
Truly, there is definitely gnat straining and camel swallowing happening here.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Roxanne Murphy

Wow, rdp, it is okay to read things into the scriptures that aren't there (as in uncut hair on women), but NOT okay to read what the scripture DOES teach about women preachers?


Ummm, specifically where "does" the Bible teach women can "preach" to men in the church:___________? Guess you folks just make things up as you go along 'eh ??


Yes, it is a sin for women to cut their hair (shall I post the lexical data on the Greek verb translated "shorn" ??



In the Ephesians 4:11-12 definition of the five fold ministry, the Greek word from which we translate prophet simply means "an inspired speaker". This fits with the fulfilling of Joel's prophecy referenced by Peter on the day of Pentecost (see Acts 2:17-18) the Greek word translated "prophesy" means to foretell events, to divine, to speak under inspiration, exercise the prophetic office.
In Acts 21:8-9, Paul and company stayed with Philip the evangelist and his four daughters which did prophesy (same Greek word as used in Acts 2:17-18). There is no mention of Paul telling Philip or his daughters that they were out of order, and I would expect to see this if they were disobeying what you claim to be Paul's teaching against women preachers.
Truly, there is definitely gnat straining and camel swallowing happening here.

???


What "Bible" are you reading that says women can "preach" to men in the church & allows women to cut their hair????? The Bible is quite clear on both issues?? What text above specifically states that women "preached/taught" men in the church:___________?



Might wanna' check 2 Jude - Surely does not exist in any other Bible passage .

[rdp]

Ok - Gotta' run to church. Check back in later tonight to continue the party !