End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Prophesying is anointed preaching RJR. And yes... Paul WAS a preacher. As it is written,

Yep, following your logic preachers should preach naked.

1Sa 19:23..  ..And he went thither to Naioth in Ramah: and the Spirit of God was upon him also, and he went on, and prophesied, until he came to Naioth in Rama . 1Sa 19:24..  ..And he stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied before Samuel in like manner, and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Wherefore they say, Is Saul also among the prophets?

Saul was a king but not a preacher. Did you note this was after 1 Sam 15:26, ! Sam 16:14?

1 Corinthians 9:16
For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

RJR, we're all called to preach the Gospel, every last one of us. The standard of being a husband of one wife is only applied to bishops (aka elders, overseers, commonly called "pastors" today).

Sorry, witnessing and being used in the gifts are ot preaching. You should be encouraged that you are one of the very few that confuses the terms.

I Timothy 3:1-2
1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Ye do err knowing not the Scriptures

Yes, you do err in not knowing the scriptures.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Ah... but they are to teach! And, there is no prohibition to women prophesying with their heads covered in gatherings (sign of submission).

Yes, teach the younger women. A far cry from what you are implying.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yes. And you're creating a false dichotomy. Prophesying is simply anointed extemporaneous preaching.

According to your misguided definition. If everyone who prophesies is a preacher, you have Saul as a preacher naked and after God rejected him from being king and also after God's Spirit departed from him.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Biblically speaking, witnessing is preaching the Gospel. Duh.

Thanks for expressing your intelligence or lack thereof. In the next post I respond to, it will be evident your conclusions are imaginary. Will check back later.

[navygoat1998]

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[Praxeas]

If you guys can't lower the personal rhetoric and just stick to arguing scriptures, I may lock this thread for a while so you can get a breather.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Wow. In a "church setting"? LOL! Don't you know that Christians didn't have buildings for nearly 300 years! They gathered in homes. The gathered in mass in public locations such as town squares and the temple. When that proved to be dangerous they'd meet in barns, caves, and caverns. The "church" isn't a building... it's a body. Anywhere two or more are gathered in Christ's name you have the church... be it a religious building, a home, a barn, a park, a coffee shop, a tavern... anywhere.

The fact is some of the early church numbers would swallow some of the venues you have mentioned. Yes, the building is not the church. As you have stated even if two or three, the building is not the church, but those (the two or three) who meet there. So back to my assertion, two or three could comprise a "church setting." Wow, your above paragraph has absolutely NO bearing on the discussion.

Oh... and with regards to "preaching". The word is "dialegomai". It's the very same word from which we get "dialogue". Preaching wasn't originally sermonized rhetoric. Originally it was an open discussion among Christians gathered. These discussions were guided by two, or at most three, elders who had the gift of prophesy.

Lets see. Preach as in Jonah 3:2

qârâ'

BDB Definition:

1) to call, call out, recite, read, cry out, proclaim

1a) (Qal)

1a1) to call, cry, utter a loud sound

1a2) to call unto, cry (for help), call (with name of God)

1a3) to proclaim

1a4) to read aloud, read (to oneself), read

1a5) to summon, invite, call for, call and commission, appoint, call and endow.

Preaching: קריאה

qerı̂y'âh

BDB Definition:

1) proclamation, preaching

Part of Speech: noun feminine

A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H7121

Preaching in Matt 3:2

kērussō

Thayer Definition:

1) to be a herald, to officiate as a herald

1a) to proclaim after the manner of a herald

1b) always with the suggestion of formality, gravity and an authority which must be listened to and obeyed

2) to publish, proclaim openly: something which has been done

3) used of the public proclamation of the gospel and matters pertaining to it, made by John the Baptist, by Jesus, by the apostles and other Christian teachers

Preaching: Strongs definition...

kay-roos'-so

Of uncertain affinity; to herald (as a public crier), especially divine truth (the gospel): - preach (-er), proclaim, publish.

Maybe your understanding of the term ought to be in conjunction with the actual definitions.[/I]

You have some confusion with regards to preaching, teaching, witnessing, and prophesying. Prophesying is speaking as the Spirit leads you. It can involve any number of things including, a witness, teaching, or the preaching of the Gospel. It can also be a vehicle through which other gifts are used, usch as a word of knowledge. Preaching is typically regarded as being the forth-telling of the Gospel of Christ. Preaching can also be admonishment to righteousness or regarding social circumstances facing the church. Teaching is an expository delivery with regards to the meaning of Scripture and applicable spiritual truths. Teaching can is largely doctrinal with focus on orthodoxy and orthopraxy.

As you have demonstrated in several places, your explanations do not match either the Biblical usage of the terms neither the definition.

What I meant by "duh" is that something is a "no brainer". Duh.

Maybe you out to take a look at where you are exercising your "no brainers."

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Aquila

You're confusing the role of an overseer and the role of a woman prophesying within the church gathering. An overseer must be the husband of one wife. Women prophesying in gatherings were to have their heads covered as a sign of modesty and submission to their husbands.

Yes, a woman prophesying is not the same as an overseer. Many in the church can prophesy, however prophesying does not an Elder nor even a preacher make.

[RJR]

According to Aquila, preaching is just a dialogue... hmm

2Tim 4:2 ..Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Tit 1:5..  ..For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

Elders was appointed for every city, oh and there was qualifications for such...

Tit 1:5..  ..For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
Tit 1:6..  ..If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

Not just a dialogue...

Acts 20:28 Over which the HG has made you overseers
1 Pet 5:3 taking the oversight
1 Tim 5:17 Elders that rule well
Heb 13:7 rule over you
Heb 13:17 rule over you
Heb 13:24 rule over you

Sorry you cannot get around the authority business, and a woman was not to exercise authority over a man. If a woman could not, if necessary, preach BOTH with love and a rod, 1 Cor 4:21, isn't that denying the church of what could be essential? Would this not put her in an inferior position. How could she not exercise authority over her husband and then exercise authority over another sister's husband?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yes. And you're creating a false dichotomy. Prophesying is simply anointed extemporaneous preaching.

You are dead wrong. The Greek verb translated "Prophesy" is lexically defined as:


In the NT, prophesy (4395 /prophēteúō) occurs 28 times, usually of forthtelling which reveals the mind (message) of God in a particular situation. 4395 /prophēteúō ("prophesy") can also refer to foretelling, i.e. predicting the future as the Lord reveals it (http://www.helpsbible.org/).


Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon:


b. with the idea of foretelling future events pertaining especially to the kingdom of God: Matthew 11:13; Acts 2:17, 18; Acts 21:9; περί τίνος, Matthew 15:7; Mark 7:6; 1 Peter 1:10; ἐπί τίνι, over i. e. concerning one (see ἐπί, B. 2 f. β'., p. 234a), Revelation 10:11; εἰς τινα (i. e. Christ), the Epistle of Barnabas 5, 6 [ET]; προφητεύειν followed by λέγων, with the words uttered by the prophet, Jude 1:14; followed by ὅτι, John 11:51.

c. to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known by divine revelation: Matthew 26:68; Mark 14:65; Luke 22:64, cf. 7:39; John 4:19.

d. to break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or in praise of the divine counsels: Luke 1:67; Acts 19:6 (1 Samuel 10:10, 11; 1 Samuel 19:20, 21, etc.); — or, under the like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others (see προφήτης, II. 1 f.), 1 Corinthians 11:4, 5; 1 Corinthians 13:9; 1 Corinthians 14:1, 3, 4, 5, 24, 31, 39.




**Looking through first-century eyes & the lexical hues above clearly demonstrates that biblical "prophecy" is NOT an exposition from the Scriptures.