End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[rdp]

Originally Posted by justlookin

None of the people Jesus chose were women. Women are to serve, as seen by NT scriptural examples, not lead men nor instruct men. That doesn't make them second class Christians, but it does indicate what role they are to play in the Church.

Exactly !

[rdp]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

You don't have one single scripture, not even using your bible hub lexicon, and stretching the meaning, that says a woman shall not preach. lol...


LOL - I did not "stretch" any "meaning(s)" - I simply quoted the lexical definition of the Greek verb (ummm, this verb specifically means "to teach from the Scriptures" virtually every-time it's mentioned in the NT - over 200 times) !? So silly.


Yes, I have numerous Scriptures explicitly forbidding women to "preach-teach" - couldn't possibly be plainer - you simply refuse to believe the Bible !


And while you're at it, we're still waiting on you to produce a scripture that defines the qualifications of an evangelist, and which gender(s) are allowed by Paul to be an evangelist...

Hmmm, lemme' see.....since the Greek noun translated "Evangelist" always appears in the M-A-S-C-U-L-I-N-E gender & NEVER in the feminine gender "by Paul" - Ummmm, lemme' think it about it & get back to ya' !



You asked for it - I provided it - Next ?

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by rdp

11 The Lord gives the command;
The women who proclaim the good tidings are a great host: Hmmm, I must've overlooked them-thar women "preaching-teaching" from the Scriptures ?

LOL... Yup... you must have overlooked the very verse you highlighted. so... Here... read it again...

11 The Lord gives the command;
The women who proclaim the good tidings are a great host:

[rdp]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Obviously... you need to change your anti-women preacher nonsense. What you really don't believe in is a women teacher - or... a woman teaching a man.... (as Paul allows for women to teach other women), and then, according to some views, you have some scripture to back that up.

But you have absolutely NO SCRIPTURE to back up the fact that a woman can't be called a preacher, or a prophetess. NONE. Men and women both went preaching (telling the gospel), and both men and women prophesied in the NT.

So... methinks you need to change your stance ... (according to the scriptures, which you so staunchly assert) to "I don't believe in women teachers." lol

LOL - No, it is YOU who needs to "change your stance" if you wish to be biblical in your doctrine !


The Greek verb translated "speak" in the phrase "for it is a shame of women to 'speak' in the churches" is defined & translated as "preach" - & you've been shown this over & over & over & over .


So no, it is YOU who needs to exchange your false doctrines for the crystal-clear biblical witness !

[rdp]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

LOL... Yup... you must have overlooked the very verse you highlighted. so... Here... read it again...

11 The Lord gives the command;
The women who proclaim the good tidings are a great host:

LOL - Nope, read it just fine !


So here, lemme' ask ya' again (since you apparently missed it the first time): Where does this text say that women expounded from the Scriptures to men in a congregation:_________?


It's that lil' pesky word called "context" - you put your foot in your mouth almost every time you post .

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Pliny

It is interesting to see how Jews view Hulda - the WOMEN's prophet...

"Hulda lived during the era of the First Temple and was sole prophetess for the women."

"Kings II tells us that King Yoshiayhu turns to Hulda for advice when the High Priest (Kohen Gadol) sends him a Torah scroll discovered inside the Temple."

"Why does the king consult Hulda, the women's prophet, rather than bringing his question to the men's prophets, Jeremiah (Hulda's cousin) or Tzephaniah?"

" According to the tenets of prophecy, a prophet is compelled to report God's message word-for-word. In this sense, Yoshiayhu would have received the same answer to his inquiry from any prophet - man or woman."
http://www.torah.org/learning/women/class51.html



A prophet or prophetess simply gives voice to what God says and God can even use a donkey for this purpose. For purposes of leadership God has chosen to use men. Bishops and deacons are exclusively men.

Exactly!


But, trust me, they'll just completely ignore these facts - since facts is not high on their priority list when it come to biblical issues !

[rdp]

Okay gals - been fun again - off to church tonight so I can beat them-thar poor ol' women into full submission !


Be back later to continue the party!

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by rdp

[COLOR="Blue"]LOL - No, it is YOU who needs to "change your stance" if you wish to be biblical in your doctrine !

The Greek verb translated "speak" in the phrase "for it is a shame of women to 'speak' in the churches" is defined & translated as "preach" - & you've been shown this over & over & over & over .

1 Cor. 14:34, 1 Cor. 14:35 - the two verses where it says a woman shall not "speak"... (or according to RDP... preach)

The word speak here is:

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2980: λαλέω

laleó: to talk
Original Word: λαλέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: laleó
Phonetic Spelling: (lal-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I speak, say
Definition: (I talk, chatter in classical Greek, but in NT a more dignified word) I speak, say.


NASB Translation
made (1), proclaiming (1), said (6), say (5), saying (7), says (2), speak (95), speak forth (1), speaking (54), speaks (25), spoke (44), spoken (38), stating (1), talked (1), talking (5), tell (1), telling (1), things spoken (2), told (7), uttered (1), whispered* (1).

λαλεῖν (lalein) — 21 Occurrences
Matthew 12:22 V-PNA
GRK: τὸν κωφὸν λαλεῖν καὶ βλέπειν
NAS: that the mute man spoke and saw.
KJV: dumb both spake and saw.
INT: the mute spoke and saw

Matthew 12:34 V-PNA
GRK: δύνασθε ἀγαθὰ λαλεῖν πονηροὶ ὄντες
NAS: evil, speak what is good?
KJV: being evil, speak good things? for
INT: are you able good things to speak evil being

Mark 1:34 V-PNA
GRK: οὐκ ἤφιεν λαλεῖν τὰ δαιμόνια
NAS: the demons to speak, because
KJV: the devils to speak, because
INT: not he allowed to speak the demons

Mark 7:37 V-PNA
GRK: τοὺς ἀλάλους λαλεῖν
NAS: to hear and the mute to speak.
KJV: and the dumb to speak.
INT: the mute to speak

Mark 12:1 V-PNA
GRK: ἐν παραβολαῖς λαλεῖν Ἀμπελῶνα ἄνθρωπος
NAS: And He began to speak to them in parables:
INT: in parables to say A vineyard a man

Luke 4:41 V-PNA
GRK: εἴα αὐτὰ λαλεῖν ὅτι ᾔδεισαν
NAS: them, He would not allow them to speak, because
KJV: them not to speak: for they knew
INT: he allowed them to speak because they knew

Luke 7:15 V-PNA
GRK: καὶ ἤρξατο λαλεῖν καὶ ἔδωκεν
NAS: up and began to speak. And [Jesus] gave
KJV: and began to speak. And he delivered
INT: and began to speak and he gave

John 8:26 V-PNA
GRK: περὶ ὑμῶν λαλεῖν καὶ κρίνειν
NAS: many things to speak and to judge
KJV: I have many things to say and to judge
INT: concerning you to say and to judge

Acts 2:4 V-PNA
GRK: καὶ ἤρξαντο λαλεῖν ἑτέραις γλώσσαις
NAS: and began to speak with other
KJV: and began to speak with other tongues,
INT: and began to speak with other tongues

Acts 4:17 V-PNA
GRK: αὐτοῖς μηκέτι λαλεῖν ἐπὶ τῷ
NAS: let us warn them to speak no longer
KJV: them, that they speak henceforth
INT: them no longer to speak in the

Acts 4:20 V-PNA
GRK: ἠκούσαμεν μὴ λαλεῖν
NAS: stop speaking about what
KJV: but speak the things which
INT: heard not to speak

Acts 4:29 V-PNA
GRK: παρρησίας πάσης λαλεῖν τὸν λόγον
NAS: that Your bond-servants may speak Your word
KJV: all boldness they may speak thy word,
INT: boldness all to speak the word

Acts 5:40 V-PNA
GRK: παρήγγειλαν μὴ λαλεῖν ἐπὶ τῷ
NAS: them and ordered them not to speak in the name
KJV: that they should not speak in the name
INT: they commanded [them] not to speak in the

Acts 11:15 V-PNA
GRK: ἄρξασθαί με λαλεῖν ἐπέπεσεν τὸ
NAS: And as I began to speak, the Holy
KJV: I began to speak, the Holy Ghost
INT: beginning I to speak fell the

Romans 15:18 V-PNA
GRK: τολμήσω τι λαλεῖν ὧν οὐ
NAS: For I will not presume to speak of anything
KJV: dare to speak of any
INT: will I dare anything to speak of what not

1 Corinthians 14:5 V-PNA
GRK: πάντας ὑμᾶς λαλεῖν γλώσσαις μᾶλλον
NAS: that you all spoke in tongues,
KJV: that ye all spake with tongues, but
INT: all you to speak with tongues rather

1 Corinthians 14:34 V-PNA
GRK: ἐπιτρέπεται αὐταῖς λαλεῖν ἀλλὰ ὑποτασσέσθωσαν
NAS: for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject
KJV: unto them to speak; but
INT: it is allowed to them to speak but to be in submission

1 Corinthians 14:35 V-PNA
GRK: ἐστιν γυναικὶ λαλεῖν ἐν ἐκκλησίᾳ
NAS: for a woman to speak in church.
KJV: for women to speak in
INT: it is for women to speak in church

1 Corinthians 14:39 V-PNA
GRK: καὶ τὸ λαλεῖν μὴ κωλύετε
NAS: and do not forbid to speak in tongues.
KJV: forbid not to speak with tongues.
INT: and to speak not do forbid

Philippians 1:14 V-PNA
GRK: τοῦ θεοῦ λαλεῖν
NAS: courage to speak the word
KJV: bold to speak the word
INT: of God to speak

1 Thessalonians 1:8 V-PNA
GRK: ἔχειν ἡμᾶς λαλεῖν τι
NAS: no need to say anything.
KJV: need not to speak any thing.
INT: to have for us to have to say anything

Not one of these above scriptures use the word preach to define "speak" λαλεῖν (lalein) as PREACH... sorry, try again lol...

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by rdp

LOL - Nope, read it just fine !

Lol... well I guess you don't think a woman can open her mouth to say anything good at all. It seems as if you think... "if a woman opens her mouth, she must of course be instructing a man on what to do, and therefore anything she says is not of value, and I will not listen."

That is really sad.

Originally Posted by rdp

So here, lemme' ask ya' again (since you apparently missed it the first time): Where does this text say that women expounded from the Scriptures to men in a congregation:_________?It's that lil' pesky word called "context" - you put your foot in your mouth almost every time you post

I've NEVER said there is a scripture that shows women expounding from the scriptures. Why are you locked into that thinking?

I've just explained to you, that apparently a woman, according to Paul, should not teach from the scriptures to MEN. But Paul NEVER said a woman could not preach. Nowhere. We've defined preach through the lexicons before as telling the good news, or sharing the gospel. Acts 8:4 shows that both men and women went preaching or sharing the gospel as they were scattered.

Why are you so against a woman sharing the gospel, as in a woman preacher, missionary, or evangelist? I'm very serious that you are misguided into claiming a "woman preacher" as going against scripture, when you cannot produce one scripture that says a woman can't share the gospel, or preach the gospel!

The verses that say a woman can't speak do not mean a woman can never speak, or preach, but that they are to be silent and listen without chatter when others are speaking.

Despite all the colors, emoticons, and pages and pages of lexicon material.... there still remains that there has been no scripture provided specifically using the word euaggelizó, that says a woman cannot preach (or to announce good news) If you've got one.... SHARE IT PLEASE... and settle this everlasting thread once and for all... lol

In reality.... it appears you stand with Paul on the women teachers,(for one so intent on taking scripture literally).... but you don't have one single scripture to stand on that says a woman cannot share, preach, or tell the good news of the gospel!!!!

[Dordrecht]

τοῦ θεοῦ λαλεῖν

You can say that again!