End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sister Alvear]

Actually it says GOD raised up judges...the Bible says nothing it was to shame Israel...

[Sister Alvear]

We learned in our Jewish history course that "The Song of Deborah" is a very ancient poem, one of the earliest writings that the Bible preserves...very interesting...

[Sister Alvear]

Of course I know where you get those extra biblical opinions....Deborah was a prophetess and a judge...not all judges were prophets...I believe Samuel was...cannot think right off if any of the others were...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

In the New Testament we learn of other women who spoke the word of God. Mary sang praises that are now in Scripture (Luke 1:46-55). Anna was a prophetess (Luke 2:36-38). After Jesus was resurrected, he appeared to some women and gave them a message: "The women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples.

"Suddenly Jesus met them. `Greetings,' he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. Then Jesus said to them, `Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me' " (Matthew 28:8-10).


Strange Jesus would tell the women...go tell the men....if there were something wrong with a woman carrying God's message....
Jesus has no problem with women delivering commands to men. There is nothing inherently wrong with that. He gave them that authority by giving them the message, and in doing so, these women were speaking the words of the Lord. Jesus expected the men to listen to the women and obey the command they delivered.

The GO YE command was given to every believer...GO YE into all the world and preach....

Oh brother - Time for her copy-paste jobs .


Let's see, where to begin? I guess every person who tells someone about the Resurrected Savior is now to be considered in the official capacity of the teaching-preaching Eldership !


And, Yes, Jesus has a problem with "women delivering commands to men" in the church. How do we know? He said He did!:


11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.


You or any other woman is out of their place when they "command men" (absurd) - & we will continue to teach what the Bible says about this so long as we may live !

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

NASB

34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.
35 If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.


New American Standard Bible: 1995 update. 1995 (1 Co 14:34–35). LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.

It leaves "de" untranslated...

Umm, okay ?

[Sister Alvear]

There were male leaders in Israel at the time of Deborah’s rule: nobles (Judges 5:13), princes (Judges 5:2, 9, 15) and warriors (Judges 4:6, 14-16) plus others who willingly offered themselves.
“When the princes in Israel take the lead, when the people willingly offer themselves—praise the Lord! ” From Deborah and Barak’s Song, Judges 5:2 (NIV).

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Actually it says GOD raised up judges...the Bible says nothing it was to shame Israel...

Yes, but there was reason He "raised up" those Judges - & Deborah in particular.


And, you're only further revealing that you're not interested in biblical truth on this issue (as if that were possible) as evidenced in the fact that you did not even take the time read the excellent links I posted.


Finally, it's awfully funny how you'll tenaciously cling to what the Bible does "not" say above - then turn around & argue for almost 200 pp. about something the Bible does "not" say en-toto !


Hmmm, ya' think you might a lil' personal agenda going on here ?

[Sister Alvear]

the story of Deborah is a wonderful story but Huldah is my favorite story ...however speaking of Deborah the Bible describes her as a woman speaking the words of God, giving commands to a man who was apparently enough of a leader that he could raise an army of ten thousand men. God is quite willing for a woman to give his commands to men. There is nothing in the nature of God or the nature of men and women that makes such a thing inappropriate. God can use women, and we need to be alert for the possibility that he is, and we need to be willing to respond.

And I will say for the ....... time (forgot to count...) I am not promoting women running "the show" I am only saying GOD can and will use a GODLY lady....

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by rdp

And then there is the source I quoted which specifically stated that this term is best translated as "Moreover" - not to re-mention how the NASB translates the conjunction. Or, how about we revisit your own source from Zodhiates - who says that most frequently the conjunction introduces a new thing!? Amazing how you can't (or won't) see this ?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

NASB

34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.
35 If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.


New American Standard Bible: 1995 update. 1995 (1 Co 14:34–35). LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.

It leaves "de" untranslated...

Or doesn't

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

There were male leaders in Israel at the time of Deborah’s rule: nobles (Judges 5:13), princes (Judges 5:2, 9, 15) and warriors (Judges 4:6, 14-16) plus others who willingly offered themselves.
“When the princes in Israel take the lead, when the people willingly offer themselves—praise the Lord! ” From Deborah and Barak’s Song, Judges 5:2 (NIV).

How on earth do you think any of this somehow validates "women-teachers-preachers" in the NT church economy ?