End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Steve Epley]

QUESTION do you personally know any women who quit preaching because they got converted on the subject?

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

\QUESTION do you personally know any women who quit preaching because they got converted on the subject?

This is my personal take.

If women want to wear jewelry, pants, make-up, have short hair or not wear a veil while "...praying
or prophesying...", they will do so with or without their husbands' consent. They will just seek
a pastor who preaches how they want to obey...and the same is true with the men! The Prophet
Isaiah tells us that they will "...eat their own bread and wear their own clothes...", but
will demand that they should not be reproached.

And it gets harder for the woman who has tasted of usurping authority over the men.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Aquila and Priscilla did NOT form part of the Ministry to the church: they were disciples
under the ministry of the Apostle Paul. They set a good example of how the Church is to operate
in "...the work of the ministry..."; that is, "...show forth the praises of Him who called you out
of darkness and into His marvelous light."

Together, they led Apollos unto a more perfect light of the gospel.

We really don't know what kind of "position" they may or may not have had... regardless... Priscilla's name is never mentioned apart from Aquila's which leads one to believe they were a great team *together*.

[rdp]

*Enough biblical, exegetical, syntactical & grammatical data has been posted on this thread to convince anyone with a sincere & honest heart on this issue....& trust me, I have a *TON* of more lexical information on the topic should anyone need it .

*How anyone could read the Bible (& feign knowledge of Koine') & conclude that God calls women to "preach" in the church is absolutely mind-boggling to me (& many other pastors I know)....and dishonest with the Bible. The Bible indicates it's a "shame" (I Cor. 14.35) - same Greek adjective (αἰσχρὸν) as used regarding the hair issue in I Cor. 11.6 with the meaning "disgraceful." Why seize on the hair issue, then loosen the grip on this topic...it has the same force?

*Since Elder Epley inquired about women who have recanted on the matter, I thought of someone I know. I once attempted to pastor a lady who was a "woman-preacher," but she recanted after I wrote a rejoinder to a well-known pastor's book & demonstrated his outright gross error & factual mistakes. She even used to argue down them that believed in "women preachers" after she recanted (I had much respect for her at that time for her biblical integrity).

*However, she never got the "woman-preacher" spirit out of her & even though she was not "preaching" while I pastored her - she still gave me constant fits & was a trouble saint. I watched the next pastor after I resigned to see if she would give him trouble also (she has given the one before me trouble also). One night he came to me & said, "She's running us crazy & she clearly wants to be the pastor of the church!"

*She finally left (of course her husband obediently following along) & found a "pastor" who would use her in the pulpit . As thephnxman said, she simply searched until she found a pastor who would allow her to violate God's Word. Guess what? Now this pastor is the best thing since sliced-bread to her (though she gave at least 4 pastors before him trouble) - go figure .

*Not at all to slander anyone & in some areas this lady has good qualities, but ohhhh the true stories I could tell - would absolutely blow your mind.

*Scripture commands me to withdraw myself from those who live in such flagrant, open-rebellion to God's Word (e.g., I Cor. 5; 2 Thess. 3.6 {see the force of the Greek adverb ἀτάκτως}) - hence, it is a fellowship issue for us.

*Headship violation & a disrupture of the order of creation is a serious matter in God's economy (e.g., Lucifer, Adam, Abraham)...& there are always major consequences when it happens: Lucifer was cast down when he said "I will ascend," sin entered the world when Adam submitted himself to Eve, the Arab nation (& hence, Muslims...think 9-11) entered the world because of Abraham obeying Sarah regarding Hagar. Yes, it is a very serious matter.

*Why then would God fill someone with the Holy Ghost when a woman is "preaching" or use her in some other means? Easy - for the same reason the water flowed when Moses struck the rock. For the greater need of the thirst of the people, not because the messenger was right in his actions. And, water is a type of God's Word in the Bible (Eph. 5.26-27). These things happened unto them as examples to the church. Moses did not enter the promised land for his flagrant disobedience - there will always be consequences for rebellion to God's Word.

*I honestly frequently pray that God will bring "women-preachers" in the church to repentance. May God-speed !

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

I taught Sunday School for many years. The Sunday School superintendent was a sister. No one worried about that relationship.

Bible college teachers can be women, and in fact there are many women college teachers. This is also acceptable.

I see no conflict with women leadership.

What did the bible mean when it said to not have a woman teach?

1Tim 2: 12 But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

[Scott Pitta]

What about women Sunday School teachers ? What about women teaching their own kids the Bible ? Please remember, the church is the body of Christ. It is not a building where we have services. If women cannot teach, how will children learn to tie their shoes ?

[Scott Pitta]

Junias is mentioned as an apostle, yet the name of their spouse, if they had one, is not mentioned.

Peter was married, yet his wife is not mentioned by name anywhere in the NT.

Why ?? The NT does not say.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Junias is mentioned as an apostle, yet the name of their spouse, if they had one, is not mentioned.

Peter was married, yet his wife is not mentioned by name anywhere in the NT.

Why ?? The NT does not say.

Junias, or Junia with Andronicus (name means warrior man) were noted, or known among the Apostles, the couple could of been like Aquila and Priscilla, if indeed the name is feminine. Yet, even if the name is masculine Junias, with Andronicus, Andronicus with Junias were just known to the Apostle, or esteemed among the twelve. To attribute a woman as being a "notable" apostle is really a pig in a poke, because you find this supposed female apostle mentioned absolutely nowhere else other than this vague verse in Romans 16:7. The Apostle is telling the Romans, one, the couple be them both males, or male and female were fellow Judeans freeborn Romans, also could of been of the tribe of Benjamin. What is a major point here and must be considered, is that the couple were part of the church before Paul. Yet, if Junias is Junia, and was part of the original 12, then as Luke 8:3 points out Junia would of just supported the ministry of Jesus and his apostles. Still, there is no proof anywhere in the Bible for females leading men in ministry.

Peter's wife?

Maybe he didn't take her to his Bible studies?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

What about women Sunday School teachers ? What about women teaching their own kids the Bible ? Please remember, the church is the body of Christ. It is not a building where we have services. If women cannot teach, how will children learn to tie their shoes ?

Brother Pita, I'm surprised you would post this, I have been reading your postings concerning textual criticism and other than your thoughts on Erasmus, I like what I read. Children tying shoes? Brother, we are talking about the heads of families teaching the heads of families, adult men leading adult men. Yet, the ministry that women do have as elders seems way too beneath the women of the 21st century?

Titus 2:3-5

The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

That they may TEACH the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

I believe early church saw what is written in Titus 2:3-5 as a high calling, because they looked at the job performed well as not blaspheming the Word of God.

[Scott Pitta]

Junia is a female Greek name. Junia was a woman.

If the impact of a single reference it to be minimized, then so should the passage that says that women cannot teach.

Our rule, or hermeneutic, needs to be consistent.