End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Scott Pitta]

Does "silent in the church" as Paul puts it include VBS and Sunday School ? No female youth leaders ? What about Christian education ? Must women remain silent there as well ?

There were plenty of women evangelists, teachers and pastors in early Pentecost. Was this "old way" wrong ?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Does "silent in the church" as Paul puts it include VBS and Sunday School ? No female youth leaders ? What about Christian education ? Must women remain silent there as well ?

*Sigh - These (ageless) deflections have already been answered over & over ad nauseum ad infinitum on this thread.


*Do you accept or deny the exegesis-proper that I have offered? If you reject these exegetical facts & natural flow of these relevant texts - please demonstrate the error from a grammatical (i.e., the inspired words of the Scriptures) perspective.


*Shall I whip out a few email I have from Drs. Daniel Wallace & Douglas Moo?

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

There were plenty of women evangelists, teachers and pastors in early Pentecost. Was this "old way" wrong ?

*If any woman in any era was placed in the set-in official position of the 5-fold ministry over men in the church - she & the pastor who placed her there are out of their biblically-alloted place.


*Besides, I do not limit "early Pentecost" to the early 1900's. Ever heard of the NT, which began at....Pentecost ?

[Scott Pitta]

If you expect me to cut and paste, you will be disappointed.

Compare 1 Tim. 2:10 with Titus chapter 2.

Older men (2:2) are not told they can teach. Titus, is told he can teach them. But Titus is not told he can teach women.

Older women are told to teach (2:3). They are told to teach young women.

Does Paul's wording suggest that Titus cannot teach women ? Does it suggest that older men cannot teach ? Does it suggest older women can only teach young women ?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

If you expect me to cut and paste, you will be disappointed.

Compare 1 Tim. 2:10 with Titus chapter 2.

Older men (2:2) are not told they can teach. Titus, is told he can teach them. But Titus is not told he can teach women.

Older women are told to teach (2:3). They are told to teach young women.

Does Paul's wording suggest that Titus cannot teach women ? Does it suggest that older men cannot teach ? Does it suggest older women can only teach young women ?

*You don't have to "copy/paste" to offer why you differ with the exegesis of these texts.


*BTW, I keep telling you it's not I Timothy 2.10, it's I Timothy 2.11-3.15. V. 10 does not address this issue whatsoever.


*And, your (odd) appeal to Titus does not in any way interact with the clear force of I Timothy 2.11-3.15. You are running to Titus for cover when this text specifically identifies whom women are "to teach" (younger women) & exactly what they are to teach them:

To be keepers of the home, submissive to parents, raise their children right, etc. Does this even remotely sound like Paul was advocating "women preachers in the church"??


*Carry on....

[Scott Pitta]

Comparing the Titus passage to the Timothy passage is comparing apples to apples. Same subject matter. Same author. Different results. Reviewing the Timothy passage in the broader Pauline corpus is proper exegesis.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Comparing the Titus passage to the Timothy passage is comparing apples to apples. Same subject matter. Same author. Different results. Reviewing the Timothy passage in the broader Pauline corpus is proper exegesis.

You still don't end up with female leaders in the church. While you wax reminiscent of old Pentecost of days gone by, so, are you saying that everything that was done by early Pentecostalism was book, chapter, and verse? You can paint yourself into a corner pretty quick by leaving the Word to seek justification for your doctrine through some sort of nostalgia.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

If you expect me to cut and paste, you will be disappointed.

Compare 1 Tim. 2:10 with Titus chapter 2.

Older men (2:2) are not told they can teach. Titus, is told he can teach them. But Titus is not told he can teach women.

Older women are told to teach (2:3). They are told to teach young women.

Does Paul's wording suggest that Titus cannot teach women ? Does it suggest that older men cannot teach ? Does it suggest older women can only teach young women ?

Titus 2:3-5 clearly explains the duty of elder sisters, no apostleship, no five fold ministry of ladies leading men. It would of been as foreign to the old Israelites and Judean as a seal balancing a T.V. set on the end of its nose.

[Scott Pitta]

There are those in Pentecost who value the old Azuza Street tradition.

Paul told the women in Titus to teach, he did not say where they could or could not teach. Please read Titus 2:3. There were no limitation on where women could teach in Crete.

[Scott Pitta]

Nowhere in the NT does it say that men can teach women. Does that mean they cannot ? The NT does teach women they can teach, and they can teach women.

If women cannot teach men, are men prohibited from teaching women ?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Does "silent in the church" as Paul puts it include VBS and Sunday School ? No female youth leaders ? What about Christian education ? Must women remain silent there as well ?

There were plenty of women evangelists, teachers and pastors in early Pentecost. Was this "old way" wrong ?

I sure gave you a huge amount of material concerning ἡσυχία that it doesn't always mean absence of sound. Is our discussion over? Would you like to discuss the information which was already offered to you?