End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by rdp

Ummm, did you not read the mountains & mountains of translations, Greek definitions & precise lexical data that explicitly states she was "a helper of many, including myself" (or, will you now tell us that Phoebe was the Apostle Paul's "ruler" ?)?


There is no "if" Phoebe was a helper - the Bible specifically says she was a "helper" .



New Living Translation
Welcome her in the Lord as one who is worthy of honor among God's people. Help her in whatever she needs, for she has been helpful to many, and especially to me.

New American Standard Bible
that you receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints, and that you help her in whatever matter she may have need of you; for she herself has also been a helper of many, and of myself as well.

International Standard Version
Welcome her in the Lord as is appropriate for saints, and provide her with anything she may need from you, for she has assisted many people, including me.

NET Bible
so that you may welcome her in the Lord in a way worthy of the saints and provide her with whatever help she may need from you, for she has been a great help to many, including me.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
That you would accept her in Our Lord, as that is right for Saints, and in any matter that she seeks of you, that you would help her, because she is also a helper to many and also to me.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Give her a Christian welcome that shows you are God's holy people. Provide her with anything she may need, because she has provided help to many people, including me.

Jubilee Bible 2000
that ye receive her in the Lord as a worthy saint, and that ye assist her in whatever thing in which she has need of you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself also.

King James 2000 Bible
That you receive her in the Lord, as becomes saints, and that you assist her in whatever business she has need of you: for she has been a helper of many, and of myself also.

American Standard Version
that ye receive her in the Lord, worthily of the saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever matter she may have need of you: for she herself also hath been a helper of many, and of mine own self.

Douay-Rheims Bible
That you receive her in the Lord as becometh saints; and that you assist her in whatsoever business she shall have need of you. For she also hath assisted many, and myself also.

Darby Bible Translation
that ye may receive her in the Lord worthily of saints, and that ye may assist her in whatever matter she has need of you; for she also has been a helper of many, and of myself.

Weymouth New Testament
that you may receive her as a fellow Christian in a manner worthy of God's people, and may assist her in any matter in which she may need help. For she has indeed been a kind friend to many, including myself.

World English Bible
that you receive her in the Lord, in a way worthy of the saints, and that you assist her in whatever matter she may need from you, for she herself also has been a helper of many, and of my own self.

Is there a reason why you didn't address the rest of my question? I didn't deny that she was a helper by saying "if".

[Abiding Now]

*sigh*

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by rdp

Same ol' Sasha (& AFF) - Anything to divert away from God's crystal-clear Word .


Besides, I've said over & over ad nauseum infinitum that women can (& should) win the lost - but how on earth does this nullify (or even address) the following instructions to the church-body ?


11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner....I am writing you these instructions so that, 15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church.


Check back in after church tonight.

Don't speak out of both sides of your mouth. Answer this with a simple 'yes' or 'no'...Do you believe any woman is in sin in preaching to men and women in her 'church setting'?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Don't speak out of both sides of your mouth. Answer this with a simple 'yes' or 'no'...Do you believe any woman is in sin in preaching to men and women in her 'church setting'?

LOL - That's the AFF spirit gal, ignore clear instructions to the NT church - then ask me the same question over & over .


Ummmm, I have only spoken where Paul spoke & stated over & over that - (read slowly here): Y-E-S (did ya' catch that?) women are in direct defiance to the Scriptures when they preach-teach men in the church, which addresses I Timothy 2:11-14 specifically H-O-W????


Waiting for an answer regarding the direct question about I Timothy 2 - or, lemme' guess - It'll just get ignored again ?


MeThinks you need to go back & re-read this thread, I've already addressed your "objections" ad nauseum. Funny thing is, you did the same thing on another thread . Be back in a few hours :!

[rdp]

BTW, I don't "answer" according to your whims & demands .


Still waiting on you answer that wee-lil' troubling question about I Timothy 2 - answer directly now & don't talk "out of both sides if your mouth" !


See ya' in a bit !

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by rdp

LOL - That's the AFF spirit gal, ignore clear instructions to the NT church - then ask me the same question over & over .


Ummmm, I have only spoken where Paul spoke & stated over & over that - (read slowly here): Y-E-S (did ya' catch that?) women are in direct defiance to the Scriptures when they preach-teach men in the church, which addresses I Timothy 2:11-14 specifically H-O-W????


Waiting for an answer regarding the direct question about I Timothy 2 - or, lemme' guess - It'll just get ignored again ?


MeThinks you need to go back & re-read this thread, I've already addressed your "objections" ad nauseum. Funny thing is, you did the same thing on another thread . Be back in a few hours :!

Umm..I'm thinking you have me confused with someone else.

As for answering your question, I cannot answer it as I don't agree with your interpretation of it. Do I believe scripture? Yes. Do I believe your interpretation of scripture? Not necessarily.

I'm sorry you feel women are headed to hell for preaching the gospel. I hope someday you are sorry too.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by rdp

BTW, I don't "answer" according to your whims & demands .

You're right. You don't. If you don't want to have a discussion, you are free to leave it or ignore me.

Or maybe it's because I'm a woman and that just irritates you....

[Sasha]

RDP, you need to argue a point effectively. To answer a question, it's good practice to be honest, not divert to a point you'd rather make that may or may not having anything to do with the question asked.

I asked a simple question about Phoebe, and you answer with a question you asked of someone else about a verse in 1 Tim. I'm thinking you can't keep track with who you are talking to so perhaps I'll just stay out of this convo and hope maybe talking to just one person might be helpful to you.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Can you share the verse that states a 'church setting' is 'a gathering of believers'? I mean, you keep asking others for verses to prove their points...


Why sure, thanks for asking - in fact, I can give you exactly 114 verses (will you be able to do the same for your position?):


The Greek noun translated "church" is ἐκκλησία & is lexically defined as: "an assembly, congregation, church; the Church, the whole body of Christian believers (http://biblehub.com/greek/1577.htm).


This noun is translated as "assembly" 3 times, "church" 74 times, "churches" 35 times & "congregation" 2 times. Still not convinced? Here's how renown grammarian Dr. Joseph Thayer defined this Greek noun: "an assembly of Christians gathered for worship." You request is my command !



And since you said that women can teach men about the word of God but not in a 'church setting', and typically, a 'church setting' would be in a building and have a pulpit, well, stone me for assuming...


But aren't you the one who attempts to correct me regarding proper argumentation in another post (which I'll address next)? Thumbs up for you - Thumbs down for me? What you deride me for you yourself violate - Sorry, you're not allowed to fabricate your own polemic dexterity all the while you fail at the same !



I'm wondering why there are no unbelievers in your 'church setting' though?

Not "my" church-setting - it's the actual definition of the Greek noun "church" - as in I Tim. 3.14 - "I am writing these things to you, hoping to come to you before long; 15 but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church."



You're missing the whole point. I Timothy is specifically targeting church-order, while the great commission is discussing winning the lost. Two entirely separate contexts - we can never mesh contexts & arrive at a sound doctrinal conclusion.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Is there a reason why you didn't address the rest of my question? I didn't deny that she was a helper by saying "if".

First, "if" is a conjunction introducing a conditional clause indicating an ensuing uncertainty. If you do not mean the words you use, then perhaps you should not use them - I can only use the data you provide .


Second, here's "the rest of the question": "Why did Paul admonish men to be her helper instead of telling her to help those men?"


The Greek verb translated "she might need" (χρῄζῃ) is defined as "to have need of, to be in want of" (http://biblehub.com/greek/5535.htm). Paul point, as evidenced by his usage of the conjunction translated "for" (γὰρ), is that since she has been such a helper to other (including himself), then the same help should be returned to her in tending to her "wants or needs."


Are you thinking or arguing that this somehow validates women in the set-in, official capacity of the 5-fold ministry (contra Paul's clear prohibition in I Tim. 2 & I Cor. 14) ?