End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[votivesoul]

I must say, what a defamation of the person of Christ.

I gave up reading this post about 60 pages ago.

Debate, or the Greek word eris, which means to wrangle, i.e. fight in order to have the last word, is a work of the flesh that will cause a saint to lose his or her inheritance in the Kingdom of God (Galatians 5:19-21).

How many believing lurkers have read this post and went away discouraged and embarrassed?

How many unbelieving lurkers have read this post and laughed at our King?

Ever wonder what quotes from this post might be found at the following website?

http://www.fstdt.com/

By the way, fstdt stands for Fundy's Say the Darndest Things.

A city set on a hill (i.e. the Church) being mocked and derided, like destroyed Jerusalem of old, when posts like this are allowed to persist to the disunity of the tribe of Christ.

My opinion only, of course. To your own master you rise and fall.

[Dordrecht]

Roxanne, a bishop is a pastor.

[Dordrecht]

I gave up reading this post about 60 pages ago.

You must mean this whole thread?
Yes it's a bizarre discussion.
But that's what happens in these circles.
One guy makes it a hobby to go from forum to forum and copies and pastes.
When he's done here, he goes to next one and leaves the damage behind.

I personally don't even take him seriously.
Haven't even been reading many of his posts anymore.
One thing: He knows how to underline and put colour in it.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

The male is called a prophet and a female is called a prophetess....that is the difference!

And prophecy has never been - nor will it ever be - a sermon from the Scriptures....& that is the difference!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

The basic definition of a prophet is one who speaks for God. Prophecy consists largely in speaking God's word, calling people to repentance, warning of future judgments, and praising the Lord. Whenever the Holy Spirit moves on a chosen vessel to speak Divine communications, the spirit of prophecy is at work.


Of course, but this is not a pre-planned "sermon from the Scriptures" - but rather the spontaneous-instantaneous moving of the Holy Spirit !


The Bible makes no distinction between the prophetic ministry of men and women. A prophet, whether male or female, is God's servant, called and anointed by Him. Prophets are chosen by God, who opens their spiritual ears, gives them a message, and directs them as to when and to whom to speak His Word. This Divine calling and direction constitutes the basis for their spiritual authority. God often gives His prophets and prophetesses words of rebuke and correction to those in authority.

No, "prophetesses" (where's this "ministry" in the NT church??) are not to "rebuke and correct...those in authority" - dead wrong (esp. since women are not to be in a place of "authority" over men in the NT church).

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Roxanne, a bishop is a pastor.

But is a Pastor a Bishop?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Good. We are in agreement.


NO, not entirely.



The noun Father modifies the noun God. How does the noun preacher modify the noun teacher in that verse?

Easy, just as the noun "Father" is a further descriptive elaboration of the noun "God" - so Paul is further elucidating his roles in the ministry, esp. since preach & teach are constantly used interchangeably in the Scriptures - need proof?



"On one of the days while He was teaching the people in the temple and preaching the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes with the elders confronted Him." (Luke 20.1; NASB)



"And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they kept right on teaching and preaching Jesus as the Christ." (Acts 5.42; NASB).



"Jesus replied, 'Everyone knows what I teach. I have preached regularly in the synagogues and the Temple, where the people gather. I have not spoken in secret'." (John 18.20; NLT).



"(Paul was) preaching the kingdom of God and teaching concerning the Lord Jesus Christ with all openness, unhindered." (Acts 28.31; NASB).



I could sit here until morning posting identical passages which demonstrate that Scripture uses both nouns interchangeably - & if you have one - you have the other. Hence, what do ya' think Paul has in mind when he pens the following clear command (I know you think this is just Paul's personal opinion ):


"But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet."



The Bible means exactly the same thing here it does virtually EVERYWHERE else it uses this same Greek verb !



"In the NT, 1321 /didáskō ('teach') nearly always refers to teaching the Scriptures (the written Word of God). The key role of teaching Scripture is shown by its great frequency in the NT, and the variety of word-forms (cognates). This includes three noun-forms, two adjectival forms, and one verb, totaling about 220 occurrences in the NT." (http://www.helpsbible.com/).



Further, "modify" was not a part of your argument - you made the erroneous claim that because distinct nouns were juxtaposed in the same sentence, this demands that they "are not the same" - & I just pointed out to you that this is a completely unwarranted assumption. Now you're introducing "modifications" to your original argument (pun intended).

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Paul did not forbid women to preach in the church...that is a lie...



11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner....I am writing you these instructions so that, 15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church



The "LIE" is that Paul did not mean what he specifically & directly said he meant !




If you happen to believe Paul was giving some kind of order then he forbid any sound at all...The real answer is he was repeating what had been written to him



LOL - No, that is not the "real answer" - that's "your answer" - not the Bible answer. You've already been shown that when Paul was "repeating something that had been written to him" - he begins with "Now concerning the things you wrote to me" (e.g., I Cor. 7).



What an absurd argument .



and responding like he did on other occasions....NO where does the Bible say for a woman not to preach in a church setting...


11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner....I am writing you these instructions so that, 15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church.



34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.


The Greek verb "speak" (even taken from your beloved "Strong's"): preach, say, speak

A prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb; to talk, i.e. Utter words -- preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter.



Sorry - but you are simply being willfully ignorant of the biblical facts. "Let God be true....."![/B][/COLOR]



We all know that in the home setting a woman obeys her husband but a woman is not subject to all men just because they are a man...that is foolish....

What's "foolish" is to say that a woman is not to teach her husband in the home - but in the church setting the roles completely flop ! Guess, only single women can then "preach" to men in the church !


Pitiful......

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

In California a woman can be the husband of one wife

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Concerning the ministry of prophecy during the Church Age, Acts 2:17-18 states, "And it shall come to pass, in the last days, says God, I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy." Here, Peter quotes Joel 2:28 to explain the phenomena of Pentecost. Sounds like women make noise and it is approved by God..

LOL - So Silly.