End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by rdp

- Exactly - It flies in the face of God's created order, which was Paul's source of appeal in I Tim. 2 & also I Cor. 14. It is a serious transgression of God's Word.


But, trust me, you'll have better luck baptizing Lucifer than you will getting these folks to believe what the Bible actually says around here !


Alrighty - Been fun as usual! God Bless.

i think your answer ignores plain evidence that God can raise women to pastoral positions, and the concurrent message involving the state of the men in these scenarios. Who can deny that 'men,' at least as a group, have been emasculated? so your adherence to the letter here seems lacking.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Sasha

If preaching is giving a word from the Lord, what difference does it make who gives it?

well, i also see rdp's point, and agree that there is an order to be followed; possibly he has just missed the spiritual point of this, as Deborah et al amply demonstrate.
i think a woman's ministry should be judged just like any other; by its fruit. women do not naturally rise to pastoral positions except to fill a vacuum, i'm thinking.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, i also see rdp's point, and agree that there is an order to be followed; possibly he has just missed the spiritual point of this, as Deborah et al amply demonstrate.
i think a woman's ministry should be judged just like any other; by its fruit. women do not naturally rise to pastoral positions except to fill a vacuum, i'm thinking.

What order?

[Sister Alvear]

God has an order for everything...Deborah was His order of the day...she did not fill some place because there was no man for it is written, GOD raised up judges...she was appointed by God....In God's spiritual order we submit to one another...New International Version
Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

New Living Translation
And further, submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

English Standard Version
submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.

New American Standard Bible
and be subject to one another in the fear of Christ.

King James Bible
Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
submitting to one another in the fear of Christ.

International Standard Version
and you will submit to one another out of reverence for the Messiah.

NET Bible
and submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Be subject to one another in the love of The Messiah.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Place yourselves under each other's authority out of respect for Christ.

Jubilee Bible 2000
submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

King James 2000 Bible
Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

American King James Version
Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

American Standard Version
subjecting yourselves one to another in the fear of Christ.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Being subject one to another, in the fear of Christ.

Darby Bible Translation
submitting yourselves to one another in the fear of Christ.

English Revised Version
subjecting yourselves one to another in the fear of Christ.

Webster's Bible Translation
Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Weymouth New Testament
and submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

World English Bible
subjecting yourselves one to another in the fear of Christ.

Young's Literal Translation
subjecting yourselves to one another in the fear of God.

[Sister Alvear]

The go ye command was given to every believer...Go ye into all the world....and preach the gospel to every creature...

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by Sasha

What order?

The Holy Spirit give the orders.
Not men. (Or women).
And He gives the orders to anyone who believes, male or female.

And when the Holy Spirit is in charge, He does everything in the proper "order".

But men always thinks he knows better,
and when he does revival stops.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

The Holy Spirit give the orders.
Not men. (Or women).
And He gives the orders to anyone who believes, male or female.

And when the Holy Spirit is in charge, He does everything in the proper "order".

But men always thinks he knows better,
and when he does revival stops.

Yes. Amen.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by rdp

Ok, have just a minute before church - then on the road for a couple of days preaching-teaching.


LOL - More smoke in mirrors - I have defined prophecy nunerous times on this thread (& on other threads also). Shall I post the lexical data on this verb, which defines as "to suddenly break forth in lofty discourse" (See Dr. Joseph Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon)....Not a sermon from the Scriptures. Ummm, this is about the 3rd time I've demonstrated this on this thread - hardly "ignoring" your muddied queries !


Of course women can prophesy, but prophesy has NEVER been a sermon from the Scriptures (for about the 5th time now) - Ummm, can we read plain English? Anything to "IGNORE" the crystal-clear teachings of the Apostle Paul 'eh (I Timothy 2.11-15; I Cor. 14.34) ?


You should change your screen name to "KeptByMyTradition" - The "Word" of God clearly testifies against "women preachers," so, no, you are certainly not "kept by the Word" since you live at diametrical odds with the same (of course, why would I expect any thing less on AFF?) !


Keep calling them thar women-screechers & I'll keep teaching what the Bible says about the matter !


Off to church in a bit!

As can be expected from RDP, no specific answer, just lots more "smoke in mirrors" to quote him.

If a prophesy is given in church by a woman, how can she also be silent? That is an oxymoron, and yet, we see Paul teaching about women prophesying, and women to be in silence. How can this be? If a woman is prophesying, she is speaking, and is not being silent.

You didn't answer, RDP. .... too busy flashing your smoke and mirror trick to directly answer this question?

[shazeep]

very nice SA. i am still persuaded that a rise in women pastoring, as a movement, must make some comment upon the state of things; but ya, i'm not really finding any evidence of a male dominant order hmm. Your Timothy ref is quite a severe translation, and verses 11 and 12 particularly have much better renditions. The commentaries even reflect that social clubs were breaking out in several of the churches, and a simple etymology of what is being translated as 'silence'--which i guess i'll go dig up--will indicate 'chattering,' and coupled with the fact that there is a better word for 'be silent' than the one there now provides the preponderance of evidence, i believe is how the argument goes. interesting tho--i can't find it now lol. sigh the search is on.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

The go ye command was given to every believer...Go ye into all the world....and preach the gospel to every creature...