End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Scott Pitta]

There are no male roles and female roles in the church.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

I do not have Greek questions.

What does "she must remain silent" mean ?

What does "women will be saved through childbearing" mean ????

What is the relationship between being silent in church and child bearing ??

Likewise also the wives in loose hanging down apparel composed with respect and discreetness to adorn themselves, not in laces or gold or pearls or clothes very costly but what is becoming to wives promising godliness through works good a wife at rest Let learn in all submission!

And a wife to teach NOT commit to their care, nor to domineer a husband, but to be at REST. For Adam first was shaped, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the wife having been deceived, in violation has become. But she shall be PRESERVED through the childbearing, if they abide in belief, and love, and sanctification, with discreetness.

Old women likewise with character a consecrated, not slanderers, not fermented wine to much being enslaved, teachers of virtue. That are to be of a sound mind the young women, to be ones loving their husbands, ones fond of children, discreet, pure, HOUSEKEEPERS, good, ones being submitted to their own husbands, that not the word of God should be blasphemed.

Brother Pita your answers for 1st Timothy 2:9-15 are found in Titus 2:3-5. Women were to be keepers of the home, to submit to their own husband's leadership. The reference to child bearing is simply the apostle showing that being a godly wife is her true calling.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

There are no male roles and female roles in the church.

Brother Pitta that's not a very convincing argument.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

If women are prohibited from ministry, why is it only mentioned once in the NT ?? Paul says they can prophecy and teach (Titus 2:3).

If women are to "remain silent" they cannot prophecy or teach. Since Paul is clear about women prophesying and teaching, 1 Tim. 2:10 cannot be a prohibition from women speaking in church.

You have already been answered concerning a women prophesying, it isn't to lead men, but to minister to other women. You seem to what us to find something that isn't there in the verse. With all due respect, do you only recognize the "church" as four walls and one pulpit?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

IMO, Women should focus their ministry at home and with their families.

That's just not your opinion, that is the Bible.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

If women are prohibited from ministry, why is it only mentioned once in the NT ?? Paul says they can prophecy and teach (Titus 2:3).

If women are to "remain silent" they cannot prophecy or teach. Since Paul is clear about women prophesying and teaching, 1 Tim. 2:10 cannot be a prohibition from women speaking in church.

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

There are no male roles and female roles in the church.

The qualifications of an elder (one in the five-fold ministry) can only be defined through the Bible’s narrative. Both 1 Timothy 3:2-7 and Titus 1:6-9 list the criteria for apostolic conformity to this call.

In both these writings we find Paul specifying that an elder must be the “husband of one wife.” These same writings also contain Paul’s guidelines for the behavior of an elder’s wife and children. Therefore, compliance with these would require one to be a male, which means the calling of an elder could only be fulfilled by men, and never by women. But beyond this clear textual evidence is the fact that nowhere in the Bible do we find women operating in the role of a New Covenant Church Elder. This fact alone should settle this apostolic principle.

A woman’s ‘ministry’ is to compliment her husband’s. A man’s ministry may not be the one shining forth in a relationship, but that does not mean the Lord does not desire such a situation to change. This, again, is why both the man and the woman need training from the elders.

Does God use women in the Church? Of course He does. But just as there is a proper headship in the home (See Ephesians 5:23-24; 1 Corinthians 11:3), there is also a proper headship in the Church (See Hebrews 13:17; 1 Thessalonians 5:12-13; 1 Timothy 5:17).

The Bible describes matured women of approved character and piety, ministering to other women (See Titus 2:3-5).

A woman’s service is regarded as very important to the Kingdom of God. Paul mentions such labor in his epistle to the church at Philippi. “And I entreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellow laborers, whose names are in the book of life” (Philippians 4:3). Other biblical examples where women served in the Kingdom of God include:

• The Shunamite women ministered to Elisha. (2 Kings 4)
• Martha served the Lord and His Disciples. (Luke 10:38-42; John 12:2, 26)
• Peter’s wife’s mother was healed and then ministered to Jesus. (Matthew 8:14-15; Mark 1:31)
• Certain women ministered to Jesus, including: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee’s children. (Matthew 27:55-56)
• Joanna, the wife of Herod’s stewards, and Susanna and many others also ministered to Jesus. (Luke 8:1-3)
• Dorcas ministered to the needs of the poor. (Acts 9:36-40)
• Paul asked the Church at Rome to help Phebe in whatever she was doing. She was a servant at the Church at Cenchrea. (Romans 16:1-2)

These examples describe women serving in the Church, but nowhere do we find an example of a woman functioning in the five-fold ministry. So, the biblical pattern for Church government is a body of male elders – apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers – jointly serving and teaching the Church. Depending on the congregation’s size, this group will consist of one or more from each of these callings, each devoted to “the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ” (Ephesians 4:12).

[Evang.Benincasa]

For Adam was first formed, then Eve;
And it was not Adam who was deceived, but [the] woman who was deceived and deluded and fell into transgression.

This is the reason the apostle claimed that women could not lead men.

Since all we see is ministry as one pulpit with a man only speaking in one direction with no Q&A most of the time, we miss how the ancient people taught their students. In Genesis 3:1-5 we see a type of Socratic method being used. The serpent becomes pupil, and the woman becomes teacher. Where everything goes wrong is when the student refutes the teacher, and the teacher has no answer to refute student, but ends up giving into information the student presents. Therefore the leadership job is upon the man, not his wife.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

For Adam was first formed, then Eve;
And it was not Adam who was deceived, but [the] woman who was deceived and deluded and fell into transgression.

This is the reason the apostle claimed that women could not lead men.

Since all we see is ministry as one pulpit with a man only speaking in one direction with no Q&A most of the time, we miss how the ancient people taught their students. In Genesis 3:1-5 we see a type of Socratic method being used. The serpent becomes pupil, and the woman becomes teacher. Where everything goes wrong is when the student refutes the teacher, and the teacher has no answer to refute student, but ends up giving into information the student presents. Therefore the leadership job is upon the man, not his wife.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

There are no male roles and female roles in the church.

[Scott Pitta]

I love it. Better get a new Bible. The Amplified Bible, if memory serves correctly, was done by a woman.

If a woman cannot teach, can one produce a Bible translation ?