End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sister Alvear]

ok you need to go back...I need to go back...we all need to go back....

[pilgram]

Originally Posted by rdp

1Th 3:2

And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister G1249 of God, and our fellowlabourer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:


You might need to learn to check your sources more closely (trust me, we check them). There are equally Greek texts which do not contain this noun in this text.


For example: http://biblehub.com/text/1_thessalonians/3-2.htm

Here is the interlinear: http://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_thessalonians/3-2.htm


Here is the lexical data: http://biblehub.com/lexicon/1_thessalonians/3-2.htm


Some texts reflect this noun as G1249, while others reflect G4904 - as the texts above demonstrate. Hence, there seems to be a textual variant in this passage - just sayin'.




1Ti 4:6

If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister G1249 of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.


Ummm, okay - your point ?




Are you willing to admit that the above people named as 'diakonos' were merely servants and tablewaiters?



Are you willing to say that Peter's mother-in-law was "preaching-teaching" to Jesus ?

I just wanted to take a moment and thank you and the other 2 gentlemen for taking your time to educate on this topic. I have learned a great deal and am now armed with the knowledge to refute error on this topic.
So don't think the effort has gone wasted on those that refuse to follow the bible's clear instruction regarding this topic because there are Christians out here reading, learning and wanting to obey the Word of God. So again thank you.
The Bible doesn't just contain God's Word the Bible IS God's Word.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I explained when I used the term anti wha I meant by that....why don't you show the other posts where I said I would use anti and pro....
I always tease people (that are my friends) and call them anti and they call me prol....
I tease and am teased about my endtime belief...but what does that matter...if you knew me closely you would know that my friends and I always tease each other...

I recall once, well after your post and me calling you on it that you call your friends "anti's". All that is, is more self justification from where you MUCH earlier stated the anti's needed to go back to Calvary and watch him die. This is disgraceful for you, a missionaries wife, to tell other saints their pastors need to go back to Calvary to watch him die. Justify it anyway you want. It is disgraceful and I highly doubt you have ever stood in one of their pulpits and argued with them over this issue or any other and then turned and told the saints there their pastor needs a trip to Calvary.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

You are the one who calls my posts stupid...go examine yourself....

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

and whether they are stupid or not this is a forum and old ladies are permitted to express their opinions here...stupid to you...maybe wise to others....

It is stupid when the same appeals to emotion are used in spite of the fact that it has been said multiple times:

Originally Posted by Pliny

This fundamental lack of knowledge has been seen consistently over and over in spite of the many times it has been said that women should witness and seek to be used in the gifts of the Spirit yet still there remains a stubborn willful ignorance to the facts. We even saw earlier where she made up her own facts that are patently false - the idea that Paul would never quote from the Talmud or the writer of Corinthians was quoting the Talmud (something to that effect) is patently false because the Talmud, specifically the Mishna was not began until the end of the 2nd century or the early third century.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...50#post1301550

Originally Posted by Pliny

One more time. All should witness, all should seek to be used of God and everyone has a place in the kingdom of God. Men are not any better than women and there is nothing more beautiful than a godly woman. Likewise, there is nothing more ugly than a woman trying to be a man or vice versa. There is a created order. Man was created first. The woman was deceived not the man. These are the arguments of Paul. The Elders, men, are tasked with feeding the flock of God - a bishop must be the husband of one wife.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...76#post1301576

Originally Posted by Pliny

Object lesson once again. Everyone should be encouraged to witness and be used in the gifts of the Spirit. Only men, and few of them, are called to be bishops/elders feeding the flock of God.

You just cannot seem to understand fundamental concepts which is an object lesson as to why women should not teach or preach - to act as bishops/elders.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...77#post1301577

Originally Posted by Pliny

Once again...
Everyone should witness and seek to be used in the gifts of the Spirit. The leading of the church, the teaching and preaching - feeding God's flock is the role of a man. The fact that so many women cannot understand that basic fundamental fact is an object lesson in why women should not be allowed to do so. The feeding of the flock is to the elders (Acts 20:17; 28). These elders are the bishops that were the husbands of one wife.

To take this logic would mean that no one needs a shepherd because they can all teach some body some thing. It is this spirit precisely that Got Miriam and Aaron into trouble.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...79#post1301579


It reveals a stubborn willful ignorance to facts. Then the same person(s) wants to lecture about scripture when they cannot understand plain English.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by pilgram

I just wanted to take a moment and thank you and the other 2 gentlemen for taking your time to educate on this topic. I've have learned a great deal and am now armed with the knowledge to refute error on this topic.
So don't think the effort has gone wasted on those that refuse to follow the bible's clear instruction regarding this topic because there are Christians out here reading, learning and wanting to obey the Word of God. So again thank you.
The Bible doesn't just contain God's Word the Bible IS God's Word.

How refreshing to hear someone say the bolded above. It was only a few posts ago we were left to read such as will follow in the quote below. I thought this was Apostolic friends forum, how Apostolic is this next quote?

Originally Posted by shazeep

ok,, and considering all of the 'facts' in the Bible as being indelible, what is that? They were facts in their time, and recorded as history, for a reflection, imo--considering them as being the final word for any other situation is spiritual suicide, and there is plenty of Scripture for this.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

ok you need to go back...I need to go back...we all need to go back....

This is quite telling to me. It is interesting the priority of placement here which belies a subconscious leaning...

[Sister Alvear]

I need to go back...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by pilgram

I just wanted to take a moment and thank you and the other 2 gentlemen for taking your time to educate on this topic. I have learned a great deal and am now armed with the knowledge to refute error on this topic.
So don't think the effort has gone wasted on those that refuse to follow the bible's clear instruction regarding this topic because there are Christians out here reading, learning and wanting to obey the Word of God. So again thank you.
The Bible doesn't just contain God's Word the Bible IS God's Word.

*Thank you very much for your honesty & sincerity....It is quite a refreshing thing to see on this forum.


*Personally, I really don't waste much time on here anymore - just took some time to deal with this particular error. There are so many more topics that have been debated on here ad nauseum - & just like this one - they stubbornly refuse to repent of their false doctrines...despite the crystal-clear evidence that is staring them right in the face .


*Hence, my signature line has been validated once again (for about the 500th time now) .


*God Bless !

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Pliny

I recall once, well after your post and me calling you on it that you call your friends "anti's". All that is, is more self justification from where you MUCH earlier stated the anti's needed to go back to Calvary and watch him die. This is disgraceful for you, a missionaries wife, to tell other saints their pastors need to go back to Calvary to watch him die. Justify it anyway you want. It is disgraceful and I highly doubt you have ever stood in one of their pulpits and argued with them over this issue or any other and then turned and told the saints there their pastor needs a trip to Calvary.

Seriously, whose saints are you talking about? Yours? Are your saints on this forum?

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Esther

Seriously, whose saints are you talking about? Yours? Are your saints on this forum?

Seriously?

I assume you are asking about my comments concerning the saints of pastors that teach against women preachers.

Every "saint" on here is represented by a pastor somewhere. Unless the prerequisite for being on this forum is to not have a pastor. Most likely there are some who have a pastor that teaches against women preachers. Also, there will likely be someone in the future as well.

And no I would not recommend this forum to any saint.