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[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Timmy

lol

http://www.quatloos.com/groups/melchiz.htm

They're selling "bank licenses" for "tens of thousands of dollars???"

Tim-tim! We missed our calling! LOL.

[DAII]

[Justin]

It's sad because all of this information will probably fall on deaf ears as most people will not sort through all of the pages of this thread to properly understand it all. It needs to be summarized and made publicly available. Dan, don't you own www.apostolicidentity.com?

[Justin]

Originally Posted by Justin

It's sad because all of this information will probably fall on deaf ears as most people will not sort through all of the pages of this thread to properly understand it all. It needs to be summarized and made publicly available. Dan, don't you own www.apostolicidentity.com?

bump.

[DAII]

Good to see JR Ensey supporting Kal Boora's ministry .... in his November 2010 blog:

New books on baptism in the name of Jesus!

Apostolic (Acts 2:38) and Post-Apostolic (Matthew 28:19) Baptism Vol I & II

New research by Kulwant Singh Boora, a British Apostolic Oneness writer, is sparking new interest in biblical baptism among traditional Christians. Volume I and Volume II are off the press and ready for you to order. These books contain research that you have probably never seen on the message we hold dear to our hearts. He confirms that baptism was performed only in the name of Jesus in the early church. He also shows that it was embraced by many groups and theologians throughout the post-Apostolic period and the Middle Ages. You will appreciate the research that he shares in these volumes that decimates the trinitarian formula for water baptism. They will be a positive edition to your library. Quantity limited. Order today. AM price only 19.95 for each volume.

[DAII]

Boora in a recent "apostolic" interview has dropped any links to studying theology at SEU or his prominent doctorates with the "Institute" ...

This was after the SEU thread ...

Q: Mr. Boora, as a leading British/European Apostolic author, scholar and writer–who is also an expert on Indian religions growing up in a Sikh Indian family. Tell me about your new books: Apostolic (Acts2:38) and Post-Apostolic Baptism (28:19) volumes 1 and 2?

A: Well, I studied theology and biblical interpretation some years ago with the renowned University of Wales through Kings Evangelical Divinity School. While studying theology, I studied a subject that touched on Apostolic theology, so to speak.

It was this that spring-boarded me to research the subject of baptism in Jesus name in more detail. While researching, it made me realize that Apostolics have commonly quoted the Encyclopedia Britannica and Hasting Dictionary to name a few, for support of baptism in Jesus name. But these were merely top surface materials on the subject, since the greater depth and facts lay uncovered for decades in a theological and historical sense, with the exception of the New Testament of course.
These books cite hundreds of citations that show baptism in Jesus name was performed throughout the ages since the Early Church to the present time. Most of these citations are unheard of in Apostolic circles or resources due to it being researched in Europe instead of United States.

Q: Can you give an example of your research and scholarship?

http://apostolicrestoration.blogspot.com/


Good to know Ensey is promoting the work of a career doctoral impostor ....

A: I would have to say, that to learn more about the published works, about volumes 1 and 2 can be obtained directly from the publisher Xlibris at the following website: http://www2.xlibris.com/bookstore/au...authorid=58258 Or they can contact the Apostolic School of Theology directly and speak with them regarding my work that is being used for university level courses as recommended reading texts for students

[DAII]

It does not surprise me if Boora's scholarship in his new baptism book promoted by the Enseyites be wrought with cropped misquotations and faulty conclusions ... if this recent interview is any indication of the patchwork scholarshop that besets Apostolica :

Boora in his August 2010 interview -

Q: Can you give an example of your research and scholarship?

A: Yes, for example, The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in The Original Greek[1] 1860 A.D., notes the following:
“He that is baptized in the Name of Christ, is baptized in the Name of the Holy Trinity: for the Father and the Holy Spirit are inseparable from the Son. One person of the Holy Trinity does not exclude another but includes it…To be baptized in the Name of Jesus, is to be baptized in the Name of the Triune God, which could not be, unless Jesus Christ were God.”[2]

This foregoing quote recognizes the validity of baptism in the name of Jesus, since the author notes that Jesus is God and in His name is baptism invoked and performed, since in His name (Jesus) includes Father and Holy Ghost, therefore the validity of baptism in the name of Jesus is evident from the above quote. The quote also notes that during that period of time baptism in the name of Jesus flourished, hence the reference to it.

Well let's look at the entire quote by Christopher Wadsworth ... mis-attributed to a Charles Wodsworth by the author ... and perhaps Boora himself:



Notice parts conspicuously missing or cropped in quote 1 to the actual Wodsworth quote while omitting unfavorable language and context?

This Augustine sourced quote in its totality no doubt affirms Wodsworth belief in three persons in the Godhead and that being in baptized in the name of Christ is in effect being baptized in the Trinity but in no way is supporting a historical view affirming the validity of Jesus name baptism.

Nor does it express necessary invocation .... nor does it show that Jesus name baptism flourished during that time or any time?

Notice Wodsworth, a paedobaptist not supporting immersion ... later in his commentary???


Here Wodsworth sources another piece authored by Augustine where he affirms baptism in the Trinity used by the 12 Apostles and their successors ... and a reference to the belief that they would be baptized or let down three times (page 52)




Here Wodsworth affirms the belief of a Triune baptism conferring grace (page 92):




I am tempted to buy this Ensey sponsored book ... just to see what other adulterations are present.

If Boora can use Wodsworth as part of a montage of quotes to conclude:

"Therefore, the United Kingdom was home to baptism in the name of Jesus for centuries." ....

Then color me an atheist and a theological doctor myself.

Source: The New Testament of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ: in the ..., Volume 2 By Christopher Wordsworth

http://books.google.com/books?id=RuI...rinity&f=false

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by DAII

Boora in a recent "apostolic" interview has dropped any links to studying theology at SEU or his prominent doctorates with the "Institute" ...

...
Q: Can you give an example of your research and scholarship?

http://apostolicrestoration.blogspot.com/


Good to know Ensey is promoting the work of a career doctoral impostor ....

I've read Boora's books and his "research" is a laugh. He even utilizes the old canard about the settler's on Billy's Island in the Okefenokee Swamp being "persecuted Oneness Apostolics."

They were not "persecuted" in any way. They just liked to live in out and away from a lot of people and development. Also, they would be more accurately compared to "Baptist" in their beliefs and practice.

The church at Fort Mudge is called the "Pilgrim's Hope," possibly because the pilgrims who worship at this shrine are always hoping for many things which they never get. As a specimen of modern architecture it can scarcely be called imposing. Its ventilation is perfect, and is attained by the means of large cracks through the log walls. Indeed, the entire house is constructed of logs, with abundance of space between them for fresh air and for viewing the surrounding country. We found some fifty or more pilgrims assembled, and two preachers favored us with discourses - the Rev. Richard Lee and Rev. Moses Thrift. If the faith of these pilgrims be measured by the time they spend at their devotions, they all deserve a high place, for services commenced at a little before twelve and wound up a little after four. Each of the ministers opened by saying he had preached out and had nothing to say; yet each occupied about two hours to get rid of that nothing.

The Rev. Moses Thrift devoted a considerable portion of his time to the matters of "Infant Baptism" and "Sunday schools." These he denounced vigorously and warmly. He had the orthodox Baptist drawl at the end of every two or three words, which was doubtless very pleasant to the brethren, but which made his utterances so indistinct that I could understand but a very small part of what he said.

The men and women were separated during the services, and everything was conducted in a very democratic way. Men, women and children would go out and return as often as they desired, the sleepy slept, and the thirsty made repeated trips to the water bucket. Generally, however, the behavior of the congregation was devout, and there were beyond doubt many good people present. [But] the exercises were entirely too long and wearied out everybody.

Howell Cobb Jackson, Atlanta Journal, 1890

Fort Mudge, Georgia is on the northern shore of the Okefenokee Swamp and Rev. Richard Lee was a relation to Daniel Lee, the noted "squatter" on Billy's Island in the swamp.

You won't find the word's "Jesus name baptism" or "received the Holy Ghost as evidenced by speaking in other tongues" or the term "Oneness" associated with any one in this region except in the writings of Oneness Apostolics. It is a plain invention.

Boora simply parrots this error. The doctoral level training he boasts of appears to have left him unable to perform any original research.

[Hoovie]

DA, this quote is quite interesting I think - certainly not what one expects from traditional Trinitarians today.

“He that is baptized in the Name of Christ, is baptized in the Name of the Holy Trinity: for the Father and the Holy Spirit are inseparable from the Son. One person of the Holy Trinity does not exclude another but includes it…To be baptized in the Name of Jesus, is to be baptized in the Name of the Triune God, which could not be, unless Jesus Christ were God.”


I totally agree Boora's conclusion is bizarre though...

"Therefore, the United Kingdom was home to baptism in the name of Jesus for centuries."

[pelathais]

"... speak with them regarding my work that is being used for university level courses as recommended reading texts for students..."

Boora