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[JN Anderson]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Timmy brought this to my attention with his last post.



Baron said he asked for more than a name?

He could have asked for that but I do not remember. If he will contact me I will provide him with whatever contact info I have. It would only be fair at this point.

[JN Anderson]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Just a note of reference.

Callling someone a hypocrite has been reason enough to ban members.

I'm not banning you at this time because I think you need to be here - perhaps you'll understand in time that we're not against you.

You can pm me the reason why you think I'm a hypocrite.

Renda, I am sorry for calling you a hypocrite. I do feel like this forum can take on a persona though that facilitates truth. In my opinion, I feel it has also been destructive. I am sure we would disagree on why that is because we would disagree over holiness issues. I love Oneness Pentecostalism with all its faults. I love Truth. I know you do too.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

I told John that I had given the number out and he told me he felt betrayed. I told him that was not my intent. I honestly felt it was the right thing to do given the gravity of this thread. You will probably disagree I know.

That's a solid explanation for that part!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

Renda, I am sorry for calling you a hypocrite. I do feel like this forum can take on a persona though that facilitates truth. In my opinion, I feel it has also been destructive. I am sure we would disagree on why that is because we would disagree over holiness issues. I love Oneness Pentecostalism with all its faults. I love Truth. I know you do too.

Okay, and yes, I do love Truth and truth.

I couldn't agree with you more about the bolded statement.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

He could have asked for that but I do not remember. If he will contact me I will provide him with whatever contact info I have. It would only be fair at this point.

That would appear to be the right thing to do!

I suppose I can understand why you would be reluctant to give out a friends contact info who had explicitly asked you not to and especially when nothing major had happened at the time you were first asked for it.

[Maximilian]

This is the first time I've seen some of your claws! Scary!

JN, I appreciate you coming on here attempting to clear things up, with your photo and ID public. Through frustration, you set people off with some things, but it seems you apologized and it's not for AFF to accept, but for Baron.

You seem to believe the forum is dangerous, can get ugly, etc. and I'd say that it has that potential. But I think that's outweighed by the beautiful, articulate and heart-felt discussions that happen on AFF. It's imperfect people for sure. I don't think you will find a better group elsewhere. The difference is that some air it out even uglier about others in private -- and just for the sake of tearing down opponents. FYI LS and Oneness Pentecostals are not the only ones falling for this wannabe scholar business. Many charismatics are as well. But since we are all coming from a Oneness Pentecostal perspective, we do find it curious that exaggerated, often-shady citing of educational credentials is something of a Oneness Pentecostal phenom. Some on AFF that are very conservative with Water-Spirit doctrine, pro-UPC, etc have said the same and are upset about it. They want the group to buck up, have some integrity and character and to get their motives right. It does a disservice to those trying hard to not only earn legit degrees, but actually learn.

LS happens to be a huge targer because he has caused division over a non-Biblical doctrine. He has threatened his opposers, not with love, but with judgement and phony prophecy. (I've even heard he some more wild things he does than that... thinking "death list" for example, but I'll leave that alone for now). Throwing himself in the spotlight like that, posturing as a scholar, citing not only his prophetic skills as an elitist but also his ability to be a scholar, he deserves some academic scrutiny. What was discovered was not expected though.

[JN Anderson]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

This is the first time I've seen some of your claws! Scary!

JN, I appreciate you coming on here attempting to clear things up, with your photo and ID public. Through frustration, you set people off with some things, but it seems you apologized and it's not for AFF to accept, but for Baron.

You seem to believe the forum is dangerous, can get ugly, etc. and I'd say that it has that potential. But I think that's outweighed by the beautiful, articulate and heart-felt discussions that happen on AFF. It's imperfect people for sure. I don't think you will find a better group elsewhere. The difference is that some air it out even uglier about others in private -- and just for the sake of tearing down opponents. FYI LS and Oneness Pentecostals are not the only ones falling for this wannabe scholar business. Many charismatics are as well. But since we are all coming from a Oneness Pentecostal perspective, we do find it curious that exaggerated, often-shady citing of educational credentials is something of a Oneness Pentecostal phenom. Some on AFF that are very conservative with Water-Spirit doctrine, pro-UPC, etc have said the same and are upset about it. They want the group to buck up, have some integrity and character and to get their motives right. It does a disservice to those trying hard to not only earn legit degrees, but actually learn.

LS happens to be a huge targer because he has caused division over a non-Biblical doctrine. He has threatened his opposers, not with love, but with judgement and phony prophecy. (I've even heard he some more wild things he does than that... thinking "death list" for example, but I'll leave that alone for now). Throwing himself in the spotlight like that, posturing as a scholar, citing not only his prophetic skills as an elitist but also his ability to be a scholar, he deserves some academic scrutiny. What was discovered was not expected though.

I agree with much of what you said. I feel the same way bout the degree mills. I have well over 20,000 tied up on my education at Liberty. A few more at Northeast Texas Community College. And a few dollars at the old JCM. Guys who get a Ph.D for 4 or 5,000 are cheating themselves.

[Cindy]

There is a difference in defending men and the truth. And it is hard to defend someone else's lie.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

This is the first time I've seen some of your claws! Scary!

JN, I appreciate you coming on here attempting to clear things up, with your photo and ID public. Through frustration, you set people off with some things, but it seems you apologized and it's not for AFF to accept, but for Baron.

You seem to believe the forum is dangerous, can get ugly, etc. and I'd say that it has that potential. But I think that's outweighed by the beautiful, articulate and heart-felt discussions that happen on AFF. It's imperfect people for sure. I don't think you will find a better group elsewhere. The difference is that some air it out even uglier about others in private -- and just for the sake of tearing down opponents. FYI LS and Oneness Pentecostals are not the only ones falling for this wannabe scholar business. Many charismatics are as well. But since we are all coming from a Oneness Pentecostal perspective, we do find it curious that exaggerated, often-shady citing of educational credentials is something of a Oneness Pentecostal phenom. Some on AFF that are very conservative with Water-Spirit doctrine, pro-UPC, etc have said the same and are upset about it. They want the group to buck up, have some integrity and character and to get their motives right. It does a disservice to those trying hard to not only earn legit degrees, but actually learn.

LS happens to be a huge targer because he has caused division over a non-Biblical doctrine. He has threatened his opposers, not with love, but with judgement and phony prophecy. (I've even heard he some more wild things he does than that... thinking "death list" for example, but I'll leave that alone for now). Throwing himself in the spotlight like that, posturing as a scholar, citing not only his prophetic skills as an elitist but also his ability to be a scholar, he deserves some academic scrutiny. What was discovered was not expected though.

It never is, and herein lies the problem...

We are famous for making stars of God's people. Good men and women of God, used in ministry and the Gifts, are often placed on a level God never intended them to be.

The tragedy is when those elevated to star status begin to believe in their own greatness.

There is only one Star in this play and it is the King of Kings...!!!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Cindy

There is a difference in defending men and the truth. And it is hard to defend someone else's lie.

WOW Cindy.....that is GREAT!!!