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[Jason B]

Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

Not even close, there is info coming in by the first of the week which has the possibility of being so explosive as to make everything that has happened here so far seem like a firecracker by comparison

Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

It was actually even more, helping was Anderson suggesting that AFF had been closed down by "legal" action from his "lawyer" friend. And that legal action would be taken against others.

Perfect storm of events. Bottom line KB crossed some lines and is NOT going to enjoy the consequences.

What are you getting at MMM? If a Christian (Baron) was threatened or decieved, or attacked by people whether they call themselves Chrsitians or not, it isn't right to try and exact revenge. The Bible is quite clear that we are better of to suffer wrong for Christ sake, than to go about trying to destroy each other.

I believe the points have been hammered home, there are men with questionable/fraudulant "degrees" among us. Their credibility is highly questionable (if not completely irrepairable). They have been exposed, and by all evidences seem at BEST to have been duped by unimaginable gullibility and ignorance, and at WORST, well, I'd rather not even say it. Lets just hope for the best case scenario.


In any event, I think that the work of Baron, Pel, and DAII has proved their case beyond any reasonable doubt, that should be retribution enough for any threats received.

[MrMasterMind]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

What are you getting at MMM? If a Christian (Baron) was threatened or decieved, or attacked by people whether they call themselves Chrsitians or not, it isn't right to try and exact revenge. The Bible is quite clear that we are better of to suffer wrong for Christ sake, than to go about trying to destroy each other.

I believe the points have been hammered home, there are men with questionable/fraudulant "degrees" among us. Their credibility is highly questionable (if not completely irrepairable). They have been exposed, and by all evidences seem at BEST to have been duped by unimaginable gullibility and ignorance, and at WORST, well, I'd rather not even say it. Lets just hope for the best case scenario.


In any event, I think that the work of Baron, Pel, and DAII has proved their case beyond any reasonable doubt, that should be retribution enough for any threats received.

LOL there are no threats. The first post you quoted was actually nothing more than Dan has said... tip of the iceberg.

The latter was in response to a post talking about the events that came together which brought the thread to where it is.

There is no "retribution", but yes more facts are being uncovered, and the three you mentioned aren't the only ones putting them together.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Page 115 - Post 1149 Recap

Started in JA Anderson's post about an Apologetics Conference... around p22. Then it carried over here and got REALLY hairy.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by DAII

Once again the founder of the bible school in which Art Wilson, Kulwant Boora are listed as professors .... the Institue ...

Dr. C Bradley Carey makes the list of professors ... on this 2003 forum post ... (http://forums.degreeinfo.com/accredi...y-changes.html)
Boora would join the faculty ... it appears in 2004.

The actual archived pages of the St. Regis University Diploma Mill site ... dated Feb. 5th 2004.

Boora and Bradley are listed as professors/mentors.

http://web.archive.org/web/200402051...ac/faculty.htm



Many don't realize sites don't just always disappear.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Just remember, nothing will be said to him by organizational authorities.

However, if he put on a pair of knee shorts he would be called before a tribunal faster than a bat out of purgatory.

Jeremiah 5: 30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land; 31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by DAII

You may want to check by letter as well.

There is also a disciplined directory. Which perhaps you accessed.

I searched Singh got 2 names

He's just not listed in ILEX, neither with a surname of Singh nor Boora.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

Not even close, there is info coming in by the first of the week which has the possibility of being so explosive as to make everything that has happened here so far seem like a firecracker by comparison

I have a standing concern: In "Knight's" post where he at least claimed to be "Lee Stoneking's British lawyer..." he shifts to the plural "we" and now offers the suggestion that he was never claiming to be that lawyer himself.

Clearly, Knight (who has identified himself as Pastor A. Wilson) was under the impression that he at least had a "British lawyer" by his side. Also, JN Anderson was in telephone contact with Kulwant "Kal" Boora and came away with the idea that he had just spoken to the lawyer who was "going to bring AFF down."

Has Kal Boora represented himself as Lee Stoneking's legal council in these matters? If so, until Bro. Stoneking speaks up - we can reasonably proceed under the assumption that Kal Boora does indeed represent Lee Stoneking's interests in these matters.

We have telephone conversations with Bro. Boora representing himself as actually being in England - only an hour or two after he was contacted by cell phone in Michigan. The Concorde is no longer flying, so I don't see how this would be possible.

Brother Stoneking: Is Kalwant "Kal" Boora your legal representative?

May we proceed according to his claims that he is?

[MrMasterMind]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I have a standing concern: In "Knight's" post where he at least claimed to be "Lee Stoneking's British lawyer..." he shifts to the plural "we" and now offers the suggestion that he was never claiming to be that lawyer himself.

Clearly, Knight (who has identified himself as Pastor A. Wilson) was under the impression that he at least had a "British lawyer" by his side. Also, JN Anderson was in telephone contact with Kulwant "Kal" Boora and came away with the idea that he had just spoken to the lawyer who was "going to bring AFF down."

Has Kal Boora represented himself as Lee Stoneking's legal council in these matters? If so, until Bro. Stoneking speaks up - we can reasonably proceed under the assumption that Kal Boora does indeed represent Lee Stoneking's interests in these matters.

We have telephone conversations with Bro. Boora representing himself as actually being in England - only an hour or two after he was contacted by cell phone in Michigan. The Concorde is no longer flying, so I don't see how this would be possible.

Brother Stoneking: Is Kalwant "Kal" Boora your legal representative?

May we proceed according to his claims that he is?

Pel pal, personally I believe the evidence is clear and convincing that Boora acted sua sponte. Either he felt he needed to take it on himself to protect Stoneking and others or he was trying to defend himself and livelihood derived from various diploma mills.

KB according to his own CV cannot practice law in the US since all jurisdictions here require law school. What is fascinating is from the inception he/they claimed to be protecting LS’s British interests. Really? What nexus is there to posts on this forum?

IF indeed it turns out that KB is not and has not been licensed even in England that would indeed be huge, since he has held out in numerous times, places and manners that he is.

Whether LS’s legal rep or not, if he is behind the call to Baron claiming to an investigating member of the DC bar, according to Griffin that may have even crossed the line to criminal.

Even without that it appears he has at least been linked to several criminal enterprises, ie diploma mills shut down by various governmental entities. (Hardly the person I would want defending my credentials)

As an aside in this truly bizarre episode, a collateral damage could be his ability to be taken seriously as a Oneness doctrinal author.

One can be an addict and still be an excellent attorney, a wife abuser but excellent doctor, but when it comes to theology unfortunately the character of the author becomes inextricably intertwined with his character.

The saga continues....

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

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In any event, I think that the work of Baron, Pel, and DAII has proved their case beyond any reasonable doubt, that should be retribution enough for any threats received.

To my knowledge no one has even contemplated "retribution" nor brought it up. What 3M seems to be referring to is the same thing that you've mentioned above, Jason; the "proof."

There are still some loose ends - for example, we've had contact with someone who has claimed to be Lee Stoneking's legal representative. However else Bro. Stoneking may feel about "the forum world" it would be great to get some clarification on this matter from him personally.

Have Lee Stoneking's legal representatives contacted us? Is this something Brother Stoneking initiated? Is this something that Brother Stoneking is even aware of?

Brother Stoneking has no publicly available contact information, so it's not like anyone can ask him. We are dependent upon him to answer. If someone called you and said that they were "my lawyer" you would certainly be in your rights to ask me "What's up with that?"

[DAII]

In an attempt to be fair with Kal Boora's Curriculum Vitae ...

The Hertfordshire degree was apparently acquired through their GDL (distance learning) program ...

He is pictured on page 13 of one of their publications ....

http://www.herts.ac.uk/fms/documents...ine%202009.pdf

By all accounts this Hertfordshire seems to be a legitimate institution.

Questions still open about the Sutton Coffield degree which is not listed as a bachelors ... and then also Staffordshire University where he claims a bachelor's with honors.