SEU (Southern Eastern University) updates

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The home page advertises one man's testimony that he receives financial aid from the military because of the accreditation. But unless I missed it - they don't tell us who they are accredited with.

"Accredited

Through AST, you can earn regionally accredited associate's, bachelor's, and master's degrees. We provide the highest level of performance, integrity and quality. Accreditation is valuable for many reasons. Several advantages are:

Validation of quality that is recognized internationally.
Recognition from external sources, such as other colleges, universities, governmental agencies, corporations, and employers.
Transferability of credits from school to school.
Accessibility for students to state and federal loans, scholarships, post secondary education, and military programs that require regional accreditation."

To say "regionally accredited" is nomenclature for the groups like the Western Association of Schools and Colleges. Why don't they announce loudly just who they are accredited with?

Pretty sure they've had accredition with WASC for some time. Now, as I understand, their degree program is through Hope University.

[Cindy]

Who decides who gets accredited? The government?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Pretty sure they've had accredition with WASC for some time. Now, as I understand, their degree program is through Hope University.

Ah! They are operating under some sort of license from Hope University? So they are not accredited, technically, but Hope is and bestows its favor upon Apostolic somethingoranother?

[Maximilian]

A normal citing of a school's accredition http://www.hiu.edu/about/accreditation/

I've heard AST is now "through Hope." Some deal they've worked out I guess.

@Cindy, Here's one of the accreditions websites: http://www.wascweb.org/

It's basically an association of schools and colleges (thus, WASC), the are governed by accrediting commissions. It helps maintain a standard for academics.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Ah! They are operating under some sort of license from Hope University? So they are not accredited, technically, but Hope is and bestows its favor upon Apostolic somethingoranother?

Yes, but they claimed accredition prior to Hope. I remember hearing about this several years back.

Not sure how they worked that out with Hope. It's surprising to say the least! Hope is probably wanting to beef up with theology department registration? Not sure. They aren't known for theology, that's for sure.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by DAII

John Bear is the foremost expert in distance learning.

He is the author of Bears' Guide to Earning Degrees by Distance Learning ... now in its 16th edition

As posted previously he lists Southern Eastern University as a diploma mill in Chapter 25 of his 12th edition and others as well.

On page 229 of his 2003 edition he speaks of Count Daniel Grimaldi/Swann ....
http://books.google.com/books?id=k67...&ei=4WE0TJL0C4


A forum poster, who is believed to be John Bear at various degree forums goes into some detail about the nefarious founder of SEU here:

http://www.degreediscussion.com/foru...php?f=3&t=3759

http://forums.degreeinfo.com/distanc...niversity.html







Art ... Lee ... Kulwant ????

It don't matter if its signed or honorary.

You've been sold a bag of goods!!!

Im telling you...I don't give a hoot that they went with this/got burned by them, but I would be embarrassed to state I got a degree from them in my bio for all the world to see. It's not an achievement!

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Ah! They are operating under some sort of license from Hope University? So they are not accredited, technically, but Hope is and bestows its favor upon Apostolic somethingoranother?

Apparently. There's a HIU banner on the AST website.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Battle of the Faculty as the "Premier Apostolic Bible School"

http://www.ugst.org/page.cfm?p=156

vs.

http://www.goast.org/ast/index.php?o...d=27&Itemid=41

Advantage: UGST. #1 more Doctoral level professors with specific concentrations in Theology, and with years of teaching/publishing under their belts. Oh, and they have a classroom environment option still. AST is accredited now through Hope University, a non-denominational liberal arts school, not known for a religious or theological acumen in the field.

Check out one of the Staffer's listed qualifications on the website:

http://www.goast.org/ast/index.php?o...d=27&Itemid=41

Also, it looks like a good chunk of the Faculty are Sacramentans. I'll give them this, when it comes to Liberal Arts, their staff seems to have good qualifications for undergrad study.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Cindy

Who decides who gets accredited? The government?

No. The Accrediting agency. A school applies for membership in something like the North Central Association of Universities and Colleges. People from the association visit the campus and check things out. There's generally an evaluation period and any students who graduate during the period before accreditation are "grandfathered" in and their degrees are recognized when the school comes onboard fully with the association.

The states can and do regulate the process. For example, in many states you can't call yourself a "Ph.D." unless you have a doctorate from a regionally accredited school. Religious schools are given all sorts of waivers to the process but the degrees are not "Ph.Ds" unless the school is regionally accredited.

This sort of thing varies from state to state, so it gets confusing. Most folks are simply trusted to follow an "honor system" and not claim something more of themselves than they ought.

And that's the thing here. The first guy whose name came up in all of this is a very successful evangelist and minister. He has accomplished a great deal of things in his life that he can rightly be proud of. He doesn't need any phony sheepskin. His "credentials" can stand on their own.

Except for this one matter of a single controversial teaching. He seems willing to throw away a life time of achievement and respect for this one bit of hooey.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

A normal citing of a school's accredition http://www.hiu.edu/about/accreditation/

I've heard AST is now "through Hope." Some deal they've worked out I guess.

@Cindy, Here's one of the accreditions websites: http://www.wascweb.org/

It's basically an association of schools and colleges (thus, WASC), the are governed by accrediting commissions. It helps maintain a standard for academics.

Okay, thanks.