SEU (Southern Eastern University) updates

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Is this for graduate level coursework or undergrad as well? It's not happened to me yet. Others? Maybe we can have a tag in for those attending religious schools.

That sort of shennanigan really seems to undermine the academic objective. I've found more and more a safe environment to ask questions and put it out there. I can tell you that my belief concerning the godhead thus far has been a non-issue, and I even wrote a final paper criticizing the traditional view of the godhead (poking holes and asking questions of it). No backlash. In fact, I was put on the Dean's list of the college after that term. I'd have a much harder time in a Oneness school, questioning the doctrine of the Oneness... at least I'd think I would.

I see a day when we can just follow Jesus, and accept each other for where we were. Godhead theology or not. Different ideas about healing, prayer, faith... but that we were all following Jesus having these discussions in the umbrella of love and discipleship.

I would think that you would be the best one to tell me when - or even if it happened to you. I was speaking of the scene around 30 years ago. A lot has changed since then. The whole "open campus" thing has opened up far more things than just the campus.

Our institutions still lag behind - and I think it's because we want to be like the "trinnies" were 30 years ago. We want to control. We want to enforce conformity now.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I would think that you would be the best one to tell me when - or even if it happened to you. I was speaking of the scene around 30 years ago. A lot has changed since then. The whole "open campus" thing has opened up far more things than just the campus.

Our institutions still lag behind - and I think it's because we want to be like the "trinnies" were 30 years ago. We want to control. We want to enforce conformity now.

Definitely same experience for me right now. Not sensing a big push for control of beliefs, encouragement of open dialogue, room for intellectual curiosity, etc. Very positive experience.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I just want to believe that for most it's not narcissism so much as their gullibility. Those peddling these "degrees" likely do a slick sell job - touting the importance of the candidate's "life experience" and any published works they might have.

I'm sure gullibility is also an issue here. I wouldn't want to malign the character of every person with a bogus degree. Circumstances do need to be examined, and fact finding should be the goal--not assassination.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

But it's an interesting trend in the conservative Holiness movement, as we've seen over the past week. Put the names down, examine the credentials. Yes, indeed, we could call it a "trend."

BTW, word has it that UGST is now fully accredited.

That would be great! They need to update their website.

http://www.ugst.org/page.cfm?p=136#o...0accreditation

Q: What opportunities are available for UGST graduates before the school is accredited?

A: At this time three accredited seminaries have given us letters of equivalency, which state that they will accept our credits. This in itself could be seen as a form of de facto accreditation. UGST has been accepted as a Candidate member of the Association of Theological Schools (ATS) . This is known as pre-accreditation. UGST anticipates that it will be able to reach full accreditation by 2010. UGST students currently qualify for federal loans and the school will qualify for foundation funding.

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[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by pelathais

That would be great! They need to update their website.

http://www.ugst.org/page.cfm?p=136#o...0accreditation

Q: What opportunities are available for UGST graduates before the school is accredited?

A: At this time three accredited seminaries have given us letters of equivalency, which state that they will accept our credits. This in itself could be seen as a form of de facto accreditation. UGST has been accepted as a Candidate member of the Association of Theological Schools (ATS) . This is known as pre-accreditation. UGST anticipates that it will be able to reach full accreditation by 2010. UGST students currently qualify for federal loans and the school will qualify for foundation funding.

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That news was breaking as of yesterday, so give the site a week or two. I'm sure they will pump this big for the Fall registration.

[Maximilian]

Of course, these guys claim full accredition too: www.goast.org

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

That news was breaking as of yesterday, so give the site a week or two. I'm sure they will pump this big for the Fall registration.

(sigh!) It would only take a few minutes to update the site.

Nothing is real until the relevant sites have been updated. There's a crescent moon outside right now - but I can't see it in the sky. I have to consult my astronomy widget to verify. Even the heavens are subject to site updates.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by pelathais

(sigh!) It would only take a few minutes to update the site.

Nothing is real until the relevant sites have been updated. There's a crescent moon outside right now - but I can't see it in the sky. I have to consult my astronomy widget to verify. Even the heavens are subject to site updates.

A very worthy source leaked that information to me. A faculty member at UGST.

[Maximilian]

Battle of the Faculty as the "Premier Apostolic Bible School"

http://www.ugst.org/page.cfm?p=156

vs.

http://www.goast.org/ast/index.php?o...d=27&Itemid=41

Advantage: UGST. #1 more Doctoral level professors with specific concentrations in Theology, and with years of teaching/publishing under their belts. Oh, and they have a classroom environment option still. AST is accredited now through Hope University, a non-denominational liberal arts school, not known for a religious or theological acumen in the field.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Of course, these guys claim full accredition too: www.goast.org

The home page advertises one man's testimony that he receives financial aid from the military because of the accreditation. But unless I missed it - they don't tell us who they are accredited with.

"Accredited

Through AST, you can earn regionally accredited associate's, bachelor's, and master's degrees. We provide the highest level of performance, integrity and quality. Accreditation is valuable for many reasons. Several advantages are:

Validation of quality that is recognized internationally.
Recognition from external sources, such as other colleges, universities, governmental agencies, corporations, and employers.
Transferability of credits from school to school.
Accessibility for students to state and federal loans, scholarships, post secondary education, and military programs that require regional accreditation."

To say "regionally accredited" is nomenclature for the groups like the Western Association of Schools and Colleges. Why don't they announce loudly just who they are accredited with?