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Old 07-08-2010, 10:39 AM
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Re: SEU (Southern Eastern University) updates

If some will go to this length to cover up something so seemingly small. What lengths will they go to to cover up a BIG thing?
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I agree with much of what you said. I feel the same way bout the degree mills. I have well over 20,000 tied up on my education at Liberty. A few more at Northeast Texas Community College. And a few dollars at the old JCM. Guys who get a Ph.D for 4 or 5,000 are cheating themselves.
Well, and I think guys that want to be national leaders, scholars, or teachers shouldn't waste their time at Cracker Jack Box University's. Even if they do some papers and homework. There's such a drastic difference in academic rigor. Our guys shouldn't take the easy way out -- at least if they plan on using that education as a hoist to lead and teach others, and especially if they want to encourage scholarship.
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Old 07-08-2010, 10:41 AM
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It never is, and herein lies the problem...

We are famous for making stars of God's people. Good men and women of God, used in ministry and the Gifts, are often placed on a level God never intended them to be.

The tragedy is when those elevated to star status begin to believe in their own greatness.

There is only one Star in this play and it is the King of Kings...!!!
You're right. It's a syndrome. But through the "men of God are stars" business out, and we still have men who are dedicating their lives to be stewards of the mysteries of God, students themselves, teachers, scholars, etc. They owe it to themselves to obtain their education with integrity!
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Old 07-08-2010, 10:47 AM
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Well, and I think guys that want to be national leaders, scholars, or teachers shouldn't waste their time at Cracker Jack Box University's. Even if they do some papers and homework. There's such a drastic difference in academic rigor. Our guys shouldn't take the easy way out -- at least if they plan on using that education as a hoist to lead and teach others, and especially if they want to encourage scholarship.
Unfortunately Oneness “scholars” already have a very poor reputation among true PhDs. These diploma mill shenanigans only help to prove that Oneness leaders are not only ignorant and lazy but that they are also dishonest. Who can blame Trinitarians for their low opinion of Oneness scholarship when they see this kind of stuff and compare Oneness writings to true scholars like N.T. Wright, Fee, Walton, Bruce, Beale, France, Thiselton, Harris, … The list of great Trinitarian scholars goes on and on. These men have invested the time and money to master their fields of study. The difference in the quality of research between these men and Oneness writings is night and day.

LS can’t even figure out how to use his Strong’s concordance to find the right Greek word translated as long in 1 Cor. 11.
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Old 07-08-2010, 10:49 AM
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If some will go to this length to cover up something so seemingly small. What lengths will they go to to cover up a BIG thing?
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Old 07-08-2010, 10:50 AM
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Unfortunately Oneness “scholars” already have a very poor reputation among true PhDs. These diploma mill shenanigans only help to prove that Oneness leaders are not only ignorant and lazy but that they are also dishonest. Who can blame Trinitarians for their low opinion of Oneness scholarship when they see this kind of stuff and compare Oneness writings to true scholars like N.T. Wright, Fee, Walton, Bruce, Beale, France, Thiselton, Harris, … The list of great Trinitarian scholars goes on and on. These men have invested the time and money to master their fields of study. The difference in the quality of research between these men and Oneness writings is night and day.

LS can’t even figure out how to use his Strong’s concordance to find the right Greek word translated as long in 1 Cor. 11.




I guess when you're a "prophet" you get to make things up as you go.
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Unfortunately Oneness “scholars” already have a very poor reputation among true PhDs. These diploma mill shenanigans only help to prove that Oneness leaders are not only ignorant and lazy but that they are also dishonest. Who can blame Trinitarians for their low opinion of Oneness scholarship when they see this kind of stuff and compare Oneness writings to true scholars like N.T. Wright, Fee, Walton, Bruce, Beale, France, Thiselton, Harris, … The list of great Trinitarian scholars goes on and on. These men have invested the time and money to master their fields of study. The difference in the quality of research between these men and Oneness writings is night and day.

LS can’t even figure out how to use his Strong’s concordance to find the right Greek word translated as long in 1 Cor. 11.
What a phenom list of scholarly (and contemporary) names you just listed.

And... sadly, I have to agree. I will say, though, that these other scholars don't see a world as "Trinitarian vs. Oneness" scholarship. In fact, many of the scholars you listed divide among themselves. Douglas Moo would combat the notions of Fee in the whole Calvinism vs. Arminianism debate. Then throw in Fee's scholarly work with the charismata, Holy Spirit, etc and that sets him apart from the others. What I see are men that have taken a dive into Study, not set on being "this camp versus this camp." That's, afterall, not a scholarly attitude at all.
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Old 07-08-2010, 10:59 AM
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But really, how relevant is education in matters of faith? Consider all the agnostic and atheist scholars. The Holy Spirit will teach you all truth. What more do you need?
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What a phenom list of scholarly (and contemporary) names you just listed.

And... sadly, I have to agree. I will say, though, that these other scholars don't see a world as "Trinitarian vs. Oneness" scholarship. In fact, many of the scholars you listed divide among themselves. Douglas Moo would combat the notions of Fee in the whole Calvinism vs. Arminianism debate. Then throw in Fee's scholarly work with the charismata, Holy Spirit, etc and that sets him apart from the others. What I see are men that have taken a dive into Study, not set on being "this camp versus this camp." That's, afterall, not a scholarly attitude at all.
Exactly! That is the beauty of true scholarship. Scholars with different views can debate openly about their differences while still respecting each other’s contributions. I doubt you would find that same openness to being questioned in Oneness circles. I haven’t seen it anyways. I see men in power who are scared to have open debate.
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Exactly! That is the beauty of true scholarship. Scholars with different views can debate openly about their differences while still respecting each other’s contributions. I doubt you would find that same openness to being questioned in Oneness circles. I haven’t seen it anyways. I see men in power who are scared to be questioned.
In most cases, this would be considered a sign that they are actually wrong, and they know it. (I said most cases!)
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