SEU (Southern Eastern University) updates

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

If you used to lie, you can either be the Lie Police, or you can have a little mercy and understanding. Such were some of you.
Is the motivation for your hatred of another person's lying love or self-righteousness?

Yeah, but NONE of us have been parading around the country preaching a recycled message of false doctrine at every attempt while making ourselves to be something we are not. The fact that the website changed 3 times in 2 days also speaks volumes, it doesn't seem like a simple mistake.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by jfrog

You forgot that he mentioned LS's honorary degree which the institution that gave it to him has no record of... (Baron called and asked them). You need to correct him on that too

You may be thinking of MT's "honorary degree" from Princeton Theological Seminary. Baron called Princeton about that. Also, the most recent claim for such a degree came from 1986, when MT was introduced by another speaker.

Presumably, that speaker was reading from a "bio card" that had been filled out previously.

Coincidentally, the same speaker introduced me to the same audience several years later. I was handed a card and asked to fill out a brief into about myself.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Knight

Make this about you? not my intension,
not earned? not true already talked about my credits and schooling.
those statements about not earning a bach, or Masters not true either.. just posted the end result..
Herff Jones statements not true? I cleared that up..
Deceptive???? just a attack

So why the friend request?

I am confused here... and still catching up on this thread from this morning...

But Knight, didn't you say that both you and Lee Stoneking were awarded "honorary degrees" because of a "contact" you both had at the school?

You are now asserting that these honorary degrees were "earned." There's a difference between the two. Can you help out with this?

Did you pay a fee for your doctorate from the International Christian Works school that has been cited here?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Doesn't really matter to me. Curious why it matters so much to others.

Max,then why are you so defensive about it?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by D. Wright

I don't know what is worse.

A minister that knows it's a degree mill Ph.D., but touts it as real.

Or, a minister that actually believes himself that it's a real Ph.D.

Originally Posted by DAII

This sums it up.

Originally Posted by DAII

In education we use the words standards and rigor because they mean something. They have value.
Amazing how some in the "standards" crowd don't apply these more rigorously in other areas of their walk.

Excellent point D. Wright. And... the whole point here is NOT to just be "nit picking" on these guys and their claims. We have threads where IDEAS are argued and those IDEAS stand or fall based upon their merits.

What is going on here is a sort of "self regulation" within the Oneness community. When there are those of us who make claims to possessing academic credentials, then WE have to look at those claims.

Personally, I don't want to ever find myself talking to some acerbic "Trinitarian" headhunter on the radio and find that my arguments are simply dismissed because other "Oneness guys" ran around spouting off about their diploma mill degrees.

We MUST "police" our own academic community and credentials. If your only claim is that you sat in Robert Sabin's Sunday School class for twenty years - well, I'm impressed with THAT, even if you don't get any college credit for it.

But, let's be honest. We don't need these "credentials" that are under discussion here. They make everyone look bad.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Latest from SEU:

I have tried to find out more about Lee it appears he was a friend of a former member of SEU but I have not been able to find any record of him as an official student.

They seem to have short memories at diploma mills.

If his check cleared then there's no reason to keep his paperwork, is there?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Sure didn't read them. I'd rather get kicked in the face.

Sad, Max.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

AFF Watchdog Forum

So the guy puts PhD. That's not a lie. It's a PhD. Last I heard he wasn't parading himself as "Doctor Stoneking." It's stashed in a bio page of his website.

Why the obsession? Let it go.

Bro. Stoneking has made many public assertions over the years introducing a novel doctrine into our ranks. He will not discuss these claims in a public forum nor even answer questions about them. He has simply used his own force of personality to promote this new religious teaching.

Do we accept what he says, simply because he says it's so? Many people within our ranks have already done so.

By uncritically swallowing this whole "Holy Magic Hair" creed and its attendant stipulations, they make us all look like a silly cult of simpletons. I'm not happy with that. We have to stand up for truth, and such a stand must begin within our own ranks.

The "obsession" is Lee's. He needs to let this go.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

No one ever said the sins of Mt 18 must be private. The correction, since it's in love, should be private or among other elders.

If he "won't hear you" - then you are to tell it to the church.

Matthew 18:17

[Praxeas]

Maybe Knight or Dr Stoneking would be interesting in a public discussion on the hair doctrine LS has been teaching around the nation? Let's put those degrees to good use