Belief in god and the right to homosexuality?

[shazeep]

You started to deal with the discrepancy in our definition of terms right there, and then suddenly stopped again.

In your mind are catholics those who adhere to that list of doctrines YOU ADMITTED you were concerned with, or not? I am asking this over and over again.


ya, this is my fault, and stems from the belief that what people say is pretty much irrelevant, and what they do is all that matters. Catholic doctrine is satanic, imo, but individual Catholic people might easily be more righteous than either of us. I perceive your doctrine as satanic now, too, but that doesn't mean "All OPs are lost."

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

You started to deal with the discrepancy in our definition of terms right there, and then suddenly stopped again.

In your mind are catholics those who adhere to that list of doctrines YOU ADMITTED you were concerned with, or not? I am asking this over and over again.


ya, this is my fault, and stems from the belief that what people say is pretty much irrelevant, and what they do is all that matters. Catholic doctrine is satanic, imo, but individual Catholic people might easily be more righteous than either of us. I perceive your doctrine as satanic now, too, but that doesn't mean "All OPs are lost."

It;'s what they actually belies that's the issue. If they adhere to demand to belong to the catholic church or be lost, that's actual legalism. And ironically, you forgive them, and muslims, for something you claim I say and call my view satanic for saying it.

Why do you excuse muslims who believe those who are not muslims are all lost?

Why do you excuse catholics when they say all non-catholics are lost?

It seems when three people say the same thing, and one is condemned to hell and the others are not, there is am obvious bias against the one.

[mfblume]

More unanswered questions.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Why do you excuse muslims who believe those who are not muslims are all lost?

Why do you excuse catholics when they say all non-catholics are lost?

It seems when three people say what you claim is the same thing, and one is condemned to hell and the others are not, there is an obvious bias against the one.

[shazeep]

but since we have rather hijacked this thread, and perhaps this is what has the phnx upset, i would say the following

Originally Posted by thephnxman

They say, "I do not believe in God."

it strikes me that the thread title suggests that they are saying the opposite, so perhaps i am misunderstanding here. Regardless, i think the gender-confused are clamoring for their "rights" because they have been so ill-treated, and Love is the answer, not more condemnation.

Not withstanding that imo anyone talking about their "rights" is forgetting God anyway; you have the right to defend yourself against attacks, but you cannot reflect Christ in the process. Turn the other cheek is anathema to anyone's "rights." So it might be said that the gender-confused are demanding a legal remedy because a spiritual one--that being just treating them like humans, like you are supposed to--has been effectively denied them by society, most or many "churches" leading the way there.

Where Grace is absent, the Law will rush in, iow. You posit a Sodom/Gommorah outcome here, but i find no gender-confused seeking the "right" to molest your guests, so i think this is misplaced. However, i am about as comfortable with homo marriage as you are; so i would suggest a view more akin to "legal marriage," which has little or nothing to do with actual marriage, anyway, no matter how hard it tries. Divorce is legal, too, although it is completely against marriage in God's eyes. I'll keep my opinion on anyone who would conduct a legal marriage to myself, but i suggest some reflection here as well.

While this view would require a divorce in our allegiance to the State, and our understanding of It as somehow some sanctified ground, i think this is healthy anyway, because as uncomfortable as it is to contemplate, satan rules your country and always has, and it is only your nation, or people, that matters to God. All of these kingdoms you SEE before You are mine, to do with as i will.

[shazeep]

i've put your last two posts here
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...=49839&page=19
and will answer them there

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i've put your last two posts here
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...=49839&page=19
and will answer them there

They need to be formatted desperately.

[shazeep]

i answered them yesterday, on the other thread, Mike.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i answered them yesterday, on the other thread, Mike.

Thanks.

[phareztamar]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Thanks.

Elder Blume,
thank you for your continued contributions to this forum. I always enjoy reading your insights. I would, however, humbly entreat you to consider your backs and forths with shazeep. you have far too much to offer: to your church, your family, and this forum, to be found so encumbered with this guy.

I testify that he has not the spirit of Christ, and is none of his. his fundamental stumbling at the cross of Jesus Christ, not to mention his ignorance of the whole counsel of God, sets him in a lonely chamber covered by the heavy veil of agape righteous blindness. You will not change him, regardless of how skillfully you present a truth to him. I think perhaps only my Lord can remove this blindness.

I'm not sure if I'm just seeing a stubborn refusal, on every fish he throws out there, to not devour it wholly, or if I'm seeing a zeal that's lost it's rudder. I think there are many on this forum who share the truths you champion. I myself share most of them. But at what point, my elder, does the great gulf between your time, effort, and frustration, and his willful blindness, become great enough to reconsider the investments of the gifts my Lord has given you? This man offers you not the respect due your office and calling. he is as the town drunkard fallen in the mud, and hollering at the mayor as he passes by.

While I enjoy some of the scriptures that come out in your tussles, believe it or not the frustration also follows for us who share this like precious faith. So, just wondering if its time and energy well spent. In your own words, "my thoughts anyway".

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by phareztamar

Elder Blume,
thank you for your continued contributions to this forum. I always enjoy reading your insights. I would, however, humbly entreat you to consider your backs and forths with shazeep. you have far too much to offer: to your church, your family, and this forum, to be found so encumbered with this guy.

I testify that he has not the spirit of Christ, and is none of his. his fundamental stumbling at the cross of Jesus Christ, not to mention his ignorance of the whole counsel of God, sets him in a lonely chamber covered by the heavy veil of agape righteous blindness. You will not change him, regardless of how skillfully you present a truth to him. I think perhaps only my Lord can remove this blindness.

I'm not sure if I'm just seeing a stubborn refusal, on every fish he throws out there, to not devour it wholly, or if I'm seeing a zeal that's lost it's rudder. I think there are many on this forum who share the truths you champion. I myself share most of them. But at what point, my elder, does the great gulf between your time, effort, and frustration, and his willful blindness, become great enough to reconsider the investments of the gifts my Lord has given you? This man offers you not the respect due your office and calling. he is as the town drunkard fallen in the mud, and hollering at the mayor as he passes by.

While I enjoy some of the scriptures that come out in your tussles, believe it or not the frustration also follows for us who share this like precious faith. So, just wondering if its time and energy well spent. In your own words, "my thoughts anyway".

do you mind if i post this in another thread, as we are abusing this one? ty. moved to
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...68#post1441068