Belief in god and the right to homosexuality? - Page 15

mfblume · #**141** 08-27-2016, 05:25 PM

I like the GENEROUS and GENE comnparison!

The fruit of LIFE demonstrates the fruit of the Spirit. And that life is resurrection life from the dead, since God even said mankind had to be separated from the tree before their sins could be redeemed or they'd live forever. Once Jesus died and resurrected to redeem us, we have the LIFE that the tree of life offered.

So, this life is really resurrection life.

John 10:10 YLT `The thief doth not come, except that he may steal, and kill, and destroy; I came that they may have life, and may have it abundantly.

The reason we read Jesus came to bring more abundant life, is because it is greater than death. Normal natural life is not greater than death. But ABUNDANT life is.

And that can only be resurrection life FROM THE DEAD.

So, the life that produces fruit is resurrection life, not natural life. And this means one cannot have the correct fruit with the resurrection of the work of the cross. So, without the cross of Jesus, there is no fruit nor life. Just mundane, natural, weak life.

Hence, refusal to deal with the cross of Jesus is denial of life and of the fruit that gives life. And it is severe lack of generosity to not tell the world about the Cross of Jesus for our eternal life. The fruit of life comes from the true tree of Life, the CROSS of Christ's suffering! From it came RESURRECTION LIFE.

shazeep · #**142** 08-27-2016, 05:59 PM

sure i get why this appears to be a 'refusal' of the Cross to you; but Christ is a Spirit. The Spirit. You might be insisting on something literal that is better expressed spiritually. What matters is will the next Muslim you meet detect bridges, or walls, imo, and this attitude of 'they are all lost' is possibly not the best way to express Christ to people.

mfblume · #**143** 08-27-2016, 06:35 PM

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sure i get why this appears to be a 'refusal' of the Cross to you; but Christ is a Spirit. The Spirit. You might be insisting on something literal that is better expressed spiritually. What matters is will the next Muslim you meet detect bridges, or walls, imo, and this attitude of 'they are all lost' is possibly not the best way to express Christ to people.

The next muslim I meet will not detect anything. Shazeep, when I talk to Muslims, as I did in that internet chat when I was checking out about who they think is going to hell, I never said anything condemning and just informed him what I believed and how I thought it was truth, and treated him like a gentleman.

Voila! And it was typing only.

WII on the other hand was here blasting away at Christians who thought they did not know true muslim understanding. He came at us with guns blazing.

I do not go to them and say "you are all lost." Even when YOU asked me about that statement, you bypassed all my carefulness and qualifications of that statement by focusing a hundred times more on the issue being BELIEF not PERSONS. You continued to speak as if I blast around a china shop like a bull and holler YOU ARE ALL LOST. But I have emphasized on this forum for anyone to see that the EMPHASIS was BELIEF and DOCTRINE not PERSONS.

mfblume · #**144** 08-27-2016, 06:37 PM

Shaz, I'd like to chat with you and I proved that. But this refusal to accept my clarifications and intentions cannot occur as you insisted it does.

shazeep · #**145** 08-30-2016, 05:24 AM

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The next muslim I meet will not detect anything.

mfblume · #**146** 08-30-2016, 09:26 AM

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Cannot accept my explanations can you? I accepted yours. Why don't you accept mine?

I guess when it comes to accepting explanations, the golden rule goes out the window, huh?

shazeep · #**147** 08-30-2016, 10:36 AM

yes, you should have yourself convinced that you are the victim again here any minute, Mr B.

mfblume · #**148** 08-30-2016, 06:34 PM

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Cannot accept my explanations can you? I accepted yours. Why don't you accept mine?

still wiggling out of an answer to that question...

Goodbye golden rule.

shazeep · #**149** 08-31-2016, 07:06 AM

look, you have already plainly explained your misunderstanding of the GR, and no, it doesn't mean that i have to accept your justifications as truth, tra-la. I understand the deep need for everyone else to be lost, so that you may confidently preach and sing "but now I'm found" to the terrorized, who after all only want peace, as you do. (And yes, i know the word is "am" there)

So mischaracterizing the GR and then saying that i am not following it, rather than addressing "judge others, do not judge yourselves," or any of the other places where hypocrisy is evident, all to...avoid admitting that you do not know? i guess? To continue pretending that you speak for God, and have some proof that other people you have never met are lost, and they are in fact described as, what, everyone who does not agree with your doctrine, right? Even Trinny Pents? And definitely Christ, i mean that has been made redundantly obvious.

So pardon me for pointing out that this is just another attempt to deflect, and make yourself the victim, rather than the perpetrator, who imagines that a Muslim would not be able to discern your heart, too. You are faking it, sincerely, and you are talking to a fellow codependent, and we are not even having the same conversation, and can't be until you contemplate that you cannot abide even considering any cracks in your bullet proof doctrine or the whole thing falls apart.

You know, for a fact, and that is a very dangerous place to be imo. A prime symptom of codependency is an illusion of certainty, and becoming a pastor will just add to this burden, no imo here because this is well documented, so since we aren't even discussing possibilities of any import here, and never have been--as, after all, none of us is able to witness any Muslim sins from the Muslims that surround us, yet roughly half of us, judging from the real poll, maintain that all Muslims are lost--i would suggest as a pastor getting a working def of "codependent," which is ridiculously misunderstood, even today, 40-50 years after the concept was first introduced.

We now have an "Empath" model, in fact, which is just a cover for a codependent to make themselves feel special, rather than deal with their problem. And i mention this mostly because you are going to get inundated with codependent people, being a pastor, and this will just reinforce any personal codependence.

"Codependent No More," Melody Beattie, is still the seminal work on the subject, although the field has gotten more crowded the last 20 years. I highly suggest you stay far, far away from this book, unless you want a preview of that cognitive dissonance that P describes. Prolly actually a replacement for it, as a life review @ death is all about one's personal interactions, as is codependency, and while i make it obvious that understanding codependency is not a cure all or anything, that doesn't mean that you won't make better use of the material, which is actually a very simple concept, and the book takes like one day to read.

So, there is my rather lengthy answer to your "question."
Anyone who says they know does not yet know as they should know.

shazeep · #**150** 08-31-2016, 07:20 AM

ok and just a warning for anyone who reads this book, it is a training manual for humility, if you are able to see yourself in it--most people cannot, of course, even if their friends are nodding their heads emphatically, behind their backs--and while it only takes hours to read, it somehow opens a door to God, as you are then admonished for your codependent behaviors in real time, and this can be hard on one's ego.