Belief in god and the right to homosexuality?

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, you can say this, that does not make it true, i have as much respect for Islam as any other religion of men. It seems that one may either be a Christian, or seek Christ, and i am hardly alone in this opinion.
you are surrounded by Muslims, right now, and must reflect upon the truth that you have no unrepented sins to accuse one of, if you want to be considered thoughtful, at least. And you don't strike me as a heedless person.

So you admit that islam is a religion of men!

Now it may be possible to have a little communication. __ If you're not
lying, then would that not make you an atheist . . . seeing that you admit
that islam is only a religion of men? __ My guess is that you have finally
understood that allah, the god of the unbelievers in the GOD of Abraham,
and of Isaac, and of Jacob, is the god of the world of unbelievers. __ Well,
GOOD FOR YOU!

You're finally judging ". . . righteous judgment."

[Evang.Benincasa]

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

My guess is that you have finally
understood that allah, the god of the unbelievers in the GOD of Abraham,
and of Isaac, and of Jacob, is the god of the world of unbelievers.

i'd be concentrating on the part that concerns us, the "Christian" part, but do what you like. you might wanna rephrase this part.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i'd be concentrating on the part that concerns us, the "Christian" part, but do what you like. you might wanna rephrase this part.

"...concerns us..."?

The "Christian part" is to believe the gospel that saves. Are you now
disavowing allah, the god of the unbelievers, for the TRUE GOD? Are
you repenting of your sins and want to have them remitted in the waters
of baptism, invoking the NAME of God, which is Jesus?

Judge righteous judgment.

[shazeep]

ah, sorry, i understand your meaning there now. And you continue to falsely assert that you can judge foreigners, and have no sin? Nevermind all that Scripture against you? Tsk, tsk.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by shazeep

ah, sorry, i understand your meaning there now. And you continue to falsely assert that you can judge foreigners, and have no sin? Nevermind all that Scripture against you? Tsk, tsk.

You alluded that you are Christian, and I reminded you that being a
Christian assumes belief in the gospel that saves. That caused me to
think that perhaps you had converted to TRUTH: I was wrong. So now
you are accusing me of condemning "foreigners".

There is ONE scripture that I have embraced, and it has turned every
other scripture in my favor: it is, "Repent, and be baptized EVERYONE
of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and
you SHALL receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

I know how to "Judge righteous judgment"!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

You alluded that you are Christian, and I reminded you that being a
Christian assumes belief in the gospel that saves. That caused me to
think that perhaps you had converted to TRUTH: I was wrong. So now
you are accusing me of condemning "foreigners".

There is ONE scripture that I have embraced, and it has turned every
other scripture in my favor: it is, "Repent, and be baptized EVERYONE
of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and
you SHALL receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

I know how to "Judge righteous judgment"!

It's not christianity to say salvation is gained apart from an faith that Christ died for our sins.

What are we to judge? As you stated we judge righteous judgment.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

You alluded that you are Christian, and I reminded you that being a
Christian assumes belief in the gospel that saves. That caused me to
think that perhaps you had converted to TRUTH: I was wrong. So now
you are accusing me of condemning "foreigners".

assuming you hold and teach that everyone who does not believe like you is lost, yes.

Originally Posted by thephnxman

There is ONE scripture that I have embraced, and it has turned every
other scripture in my favor: it is, "Repent, and be baptized EVERYONE
of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and
you SHALL receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

note that those who will hear "I never knew you" did all of the things their church commissioned them to do, as well. If one demonstrates that they have not changed their mind, at "Judge others, do not judge yourselves," and forward a symbolic acceptance of the Cross, to those in fear, then perhaps by degrees they are led away from salvation.

Originally Posted by thephnxman

I know how to "Judge righteous judgment"!

find me one person who does not believe the same thing though. I think i can judge, but i cannot. And of course since i never heard this verse in my OP church, it caused me to wonder if i should be maybe applying all those verses that i was applying to others, to myself, and vicey-versy. Read how your boy nullifies everything Christ says? In real time? This can only be the result of men teaching Scripture; no one comes to those on their own. I am just asking for Christ to get a hearing here phnx, essentially. "Religion" = "of men."

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by shazeep

assuming you hold and teach that everyone who does not believe like you is lost, yes.
note that those who will hear "I never knew you" did all of the things their church commissioned them to do, as well. If one demonstrates that they have not changed their mind, at "Judge others, do not judge yourselves," and forward a symbolic acceptance of the Cross, to those in fear, then perhaps by degrees they are led away from salvation.
find me one person who does not believe the same thing though. I think i can judge, but i cannot. And of course since i never heard this verse in my OP church, it caused me to wonder if i should be maybe applying all those verses that i was applying to others, to myself, and vicey-versy. Read how your boy nullifies everything Christ says? In real time? This can only be the result of men teaching Scripture; no one comes to those on their own. I am just asking for Christ to get a hearing here phnx, essentially. "Religion" = "of men."

Once again you've proven your rejection of righteous judgment.

YES. EVERY MUSLIM and EVERYONE who rejects my gospel will be lost
forever, unless they repent; for they will end up unable to enter into God's
kingdom without His grace. And what a terrible tragedy: of not being able
to receive His grace when it is so readily available!

The Holy Scriptures can stand on their own, for they have proceeded from
the mouth of the God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob: the Creator
of the heavens and earth. But your words, even the words of your false
prophet Mohammed, will fail because the INTENTION of your words are for
evil, and NOT for good. Yes. Did your father, the devil, not try to deceive
Jesus, saying, ". . . cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his
angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up,
lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone." Your father, the
devil, also used scripture . . . but his words were intended for death, and
not for LIFE.

But it was so from the beginning. The Law was intended for life, but sin
". . . taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew
me . . . that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful."
So sinfulness is manifest in those who will use the commandments, even
the very scriptures, to cause man to follow a false doctrine . . . as you do.
And who is sin, but the one that sinned from the beginning: even the one
whom that false prophet, Mohammed, is become a follower and YOU now
are become a false prophet, being his follower.

The people who heard and believed John the Baptist ". . . justified God,
being baptized with the baptism of John. But the Pharisees and lawyers
rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized
of him." But we (the Church) have a greater testimony than John the
Baptist. John pointed to ". . . the Lamb of God, that takes away the sin
of the world." We have embraced the testimony of the Lord's apostles
and prophets, pointing to Him who is risen and will come again.

[shazeep]

this is not about Muslims or Catholics; it is about a True Believer's refusal to acknowledge that they have abandoned humility, and embrace "Judge others, and do not judge yourselves." As witnessed by the negation of every Word of Christ, and the refusal of any of you to pick up the discussion where you abandoned it, collectively speaking.

If you believe what you are saying, then you are invited to pick up the mantle. Search for my first use of "you are gutless," that was never pursued, and i will join you there.