Belief in god and the right to homosexuality? - Page 16

mfblume · #**151** 08-31-2016, 09:16 AM

I noticed you never commented on this.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=175

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Originally Posted by shazeep

the Biblical plan of salvation is not what OP carefully indoctrinates the proselytized into, and you cannot name a single soul who ever came to the OP pov on their own; all were led into that belief. I have plenty of proof from your own sects lips now, if you would like to face it. Have a nice day.

The Bible directly speaks of how one comes to know the gospel, and it is NOT by coming to on one's own.

Romans 10:13-15 KJV For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (14) How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? (15) And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

I will say this. From the word of God, the Bible, I have proposed what I believe it teaches about the issue. Is there a chance I am wrong Of course. God may choose to do anything He wants aside from what I believe the Word says. I do not believe God cannot do what He wants to do apart from what I believe His word says. Could He do something with people who don't know Christ? Sure. He could do anything. I don't know what it would be. But to the best of my study abilities I have simply proposed what I feel He will do. But by no means must God stick to what I feel about it all. God is God, not me.

But the idea that the gospel must be wrong if people cannot be led to it on their own is scripturally wrong. The Bible says they cannot hear without a preacher. ANd that is speaking about salvation.

Now, all of this switch and bait nonsense has to stop. Why do you not accept my explanations of my intentions when I accepted yours?

Goodbye golden rule.

You are a bald faced liar if you think you know my intentions.

It's like a bi-polar individual. You do good for a very short time in a chat, and then BAM!! out comes the insults and the demand to bow down to your assessment of intention as if you're God and you cannot be wrong about one's heart, and you call it humility to agree with you.

shazeep · #**152** 08-31-2016, 09:34 AM

You forget what your face looked like in the mirror, repeatedly, however, and resist going back to look, and ignore that i have invited you to paint me into a corner if you are able.

Lack of humility in those who imagine that they can say and teach with confidence "all others are lost" is the issue here, and it is the only issue, despite the year-long attempts to make it about anything else. So, all the other attempts have failed, and it is now about my mental state, big surprise.

shazeep · #**153** 08-31-2016, 09:36 AM

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mfblume · #**154** 08-31-2016, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

You forget what your face looked like in the mirror, repeatedly, however, and resist going back to look, and ignore that i have invited you to paint me into a corner if you are able.

Lack of humility in those who imagine that they can say and teach with confidence "all others are lost" is the issue here, and it is the only issue, despite the year-long attempts to make it about anything else. So, all the other attempts have failed, and it is now about my mental state, big surprise.

It's an insult to anyone's intelligence to converse with you. Until you can be civil and accept explanations, and realize my carefulness in saying who is lost or not, b the amount of multiplied times I explained IT IS NOT ABOUT PERSONS BUT SHEER BELIEF, you are wasting time.

I cornered you so many times with scripture and answered every scripture you ever proposed, and you lied over and again saying I cannot deal with scripture.

I am not perfect and have been wrong many times and likely am wrong on many things now. But it's a bald faced lie to say you cornered me and that I deny what Jesus said. SO until you can be honest and civil, and stop avoiding CORE issues, then I can't insult my intelligence any longer.

shazeep · #**155** 08-31-2016, 10:24 AM

ok, go with that then, while everyone else laughs behind your back, i don't care.
i have steadfastly maintained that i do not know, and my only argument has been that you do not either, despite your assurances to the contrary, which it now appears you are making somewhat conditional, when the simplest statement, either "All Catholics Are Lost," or "All Catholics Are Not Lost" would suffice. The core issue is that you teach pride, and not humility, and i remain open to exploring where i maintain that you have been painted into a corner, even as you whine about how you are the victim. i would dearly love to make this about those who hold your doctrine, as you are just a proxy for them, and do not deserve to take all the heat on your own; but then you are the one who keeps up with the fake polls and the forgetting your image in the mirror the second it is removed, so i am sorry. Have a nice day.