Belief in god and the right to homosexuality?

[shazeep]

or by all means, acknowledge KBTW, and justify "everyone else is lost" to her.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by shazeep

this is not about Muslims or Catholics; it is about a True Believer's refusal to acknowledge that they have abandoned humility, and embrace "Judge others, and do not judge yourselves." As witnessed by the negation of every Word of Christ, and the refusal of any of you to pick up the discussion where you abandoned it, collectively speaking.

(1) If you believe what you are saying, then you are invited to pick up the mantle. Search for my first use of "you are gutless," that was never pursued, and i will join you there.

_ANYONE who rejects the gospel that saves which the Lord gave
the apostles by the Holy Spirit, is in danger of being rejected.

[shazeep]

i could not disagree, and so our discussion becomes one of definitions.

[mfblume]

phnx,

You're dealing with that element in the world who thinks NO ONE CAN KNOW FOR SURE how to be saved. They twist the passage where Paul said if anyone thinks they know then they actually know nothing. And they make it something that flies in the face of other Pauline statements where we are taught TO KNOW baptism puts us into Christ's death, and to KNOW our old man is crucified with Jesus, etc.

They cannot fathom actually knowing truth, unless it is THEIR form of truth that believes we can never have a solid handle on the actual truth because all of the millions of beliefs are evidence NO ONE CAN KNOW. So it's a generalized, fleshly oriented philosophy that makes excuses for carnality evident in the myriad of beliefs and religions in the world, and relegates Jesus to "A" way among many to get to the Father.

The phrases "SON OF GOD," "BEGOTTEN OF GOD" no longer means what they plainly say!

TAKE UP YOUR CROSS is twisted into something that doesn't even relate to Christ taking up His cross to die on it, and His cross that we follow after. We become those saved BY OUR OWN CROSSES, and not Christ's, when in reality we have no cross to follow Him with if He initially did not take HIS cross and die on it for our sins.

God's leadership to truth is removed from the equation due to their fleshly perception concluded from looking at all the world's religions. They start saying EVERY HONEST RELIGION has God in it, like Hinduism and Krishnaism and Buddhism.

So no matter what scripture you present, it is drowned with the mental concept that NO ONE CAN ACTUALLY KNOW TRUTH. The good Samaritan becomes the pan of salvation rather than the cross of Christ's death. Anything to NOT DEMAND Christ's death for salvation alone, to allow flesh to glory, is acceptable. It's sugar coated with the fake concern for souls (that was proved fake by the personal attacks wielded on the forum more than anyone else has ever wielded), when they blindly say calling someone a sinner means hating them, like the homosexuals say about Christians. That is why personal attacks will come your way from these people. The world cannot grasp someone is in sin and yet we still love them. So they think saying someone is lost is hating them. Meanwhile Jesus and Stephen proved that wrong when the accused people of sin and being lost, and showed the greatest love for them by dying for their own murderers.

[shazeep]

this is not correct, i never said no one can know how to be saved. What i said was seek your own salvation, and if you think people you have never met are lost, and need your help to get saved, or have to come to salvation the way you understand it, then you are violating a whole host of Scripture, including seek your own salvation.

Christ is a Spirit, and cannot be worshipped with words. It does not matter how much you insist on some declaration about the Cross, if you then leave the mirror and immediately forget what you look like, which is what "Everyone who does not listen to me is lost" is doing. And why every time i post a quote from Christ, you have to disown it, and every time you paint yourself into a corner, you have to leave that thread for a few days, and go try somewhere else, just like what is going to happen here.

[shazeep]

[shazeep]

and since that guy...has funny earrings, lol, this might be more easily accepted, not that the messenger should matter

[mfblume]

It has nothing to do with people I have never met. It has to do with people heeding the word of God or not. You always take it away from the WORD and make it personal and subjective. It's your switch and bait tactic. Doesn't work.

[shazeep]

i guess it appears that way, but i maintain that you are not in a position to say "All Catholics are lost" with humility, and that is all i have ever been saying here. Regardless of whatever doctrine some guys with ties fed you, you are assuming the place of God when you do this, and you must admit to not even having met those you condemn, that you might judge from their fruit.

This is why you have to negate everything Christ said, essentially; and when we start on the Beatitudes, you are going to have to discount them as well. And i have put you in a position where you cannot very well even put a sticky up here when you manifest this disease that you are teaching, so i would ask you once again to heed the voices here that you surely have some respect for, if you don't believe me. Today may be your last chance.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Love your neighbor; this fulfills the law and prophets.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Truth or error, and saved or lost, is not a matter of love or hate.
Except for mixed up minds.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Fulfilling the golden rule for salvation is SALVATION BY WORKS.

Love your neighbor; this fulfills the law and prophets

Originally Posted by mfblume

Living like the Good Samaritan without the cross for salvation is SALVATION BY WORKS.

Go, and do likewise.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Forgiving people of their wrongs to us, without the cross, is SALVATION BY WORKS.

Forgive, and you will be forgiven

Originally Posted by mfblume

No matter which way you slice it, any means to heaven WITHOUT THE CROSS is SALVATION BY WORKS.

seems like you're arguing with the Cross Bearer right now, Mr B.

Originally Posted by mfblume

This is the best summation I can give from my study. I can only speak for myself.

But you insist others that you have never met are lost, so you are not speaking for yourself. In addition, you are a pastor, and so this excuse--even if it were not so flimsy--will not help you. Sure you don't wanna rethink this?