Belief in god and the right to homosexuality?

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by shazeep

this is not correct, i never said no one can know how to be saved. What i said was (1) seek your own salvation, and if you think people you have never met are lost, and need your help to get saved, or have to come to salvation the way you understand it, then you are violating a whole host of Scripture, including seek your own salvation.
(2) Christ is a Spirit, and cannot be worshipped with words. It does not matter how much you insist on some declaration about the Cross, if you then leave the mirror and immediately forget what you look like, which is what "Everyone who does not listen to me is lost" is doing. And why every time i post a quote from Christ, you have to disown it, and every time you paint yourself into a corner, you have to leave that thread for a few days, and go try somewhere else, just like what is going to happen here.

That's what happens to YOU when YOU DON"T read the scriptures.

People like you come into a Christian forum with preconceived ideas
and notions, your mind filled from many sources that don't know the
difference between content and context. It's really sad. Let me try
to help you guys.

(1) The Apostle Paul was writing to Christians in Phillipi (those who had
embraced the gospel that saves) when he wrote, ". . . now much more in
my absence, WORK OUT your own salvation with fear and trembling." You
see, they already KNEW the gospel that saves; and they KNEW the doctrine
that would KEEP them saved. They KNEW there was a COMMON salvation;
that is, ONE gospel; ONE way to be saved. If you had DARED to read the
scriptures with an open heart, you also would have known that.

(2) Christ is referred to as ". . . the MAN, Christ Jesus . . ."; he is the one
born of a virgin, in Bethlehem of Judah. This neither nullifies nor detracts
from his divinity, but only points to him as ". . . the Lamb of God that takes
away the sin of the world." God (the Father outside of the flesh) IS SPIRIT.
As for the mirror, the believer has looked into it and we have seen our own
faults. Where you have erred, is when we have held up the mirror to show
it to you: you think you are looking at our faults, instead of seeing your own!

"Judge RIGHTEOUS judgment."

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i guess it appears that way, but i maintain that you are not in a position to say "All Catholics are lost" with humility, and that is all i have ever been saying here. Regardless of whatever doctrine some guys with ties fed you, you are assuming the place of God when you do this, and you must admit to not even having met those you condemn, that you might judge from their fruit.

This is why you have to negate everything Christ said, essentially; and when we start on the Beatitudes, you are going to have to discount them as well. And i have put you in a position where you cannot very well even put a sticky up here when you manifest this disease that you are teaching, so i would ask you once again to heed the voices here that you surely have some respect for, if you don't believe me. Today may be your last chance.

You do not know the difference between objective doctrinal position and personal attacks, which is why you claim there is no humility in making statements based upon what the bible says and what religious adherents confess. To you it is hatred to say those who believe other than a passage that indicates the way of salvation are lost.

It's the same old worldly idea that calling folks sinners is hatred, when they cannot comprehend there is love for the sinner. Your posts show the same spirit.

And I proved again and again my view does not negate anything Christ said, but fits with everything Christ said, without the excuse that a verse that apparently conflicts with my view is excused as being there to deceive dishonest people. You simply are resorting to a self-imagined conquest of some weird sort that you allegedly cornered me. Keep telling yourself that. The fact is you became so vile in insults that it was sickening to continue to write only to repeatedly receive verbal vomit from you.

Every time I tried to discuss detailed points about the passages you claim I deny, you ran and hid and resorted to generalities and philosophy without specifics. It has become a deal where you dish out zingers like "You negate everything Christ said," and then it turns to intense personal and childish mockery like "suck eggs," and other ad hominem attacks. When you resort to name-calling I realize my point has veracity.

You take the good Samaritan out of context along with the golden rule and make salvation the fulfillment of the law of works by personal crosses without following Jesus' cross that he died upon. You take plain statements about the need for faith in the begotten Son and claim some folly about begotten doesn't mean begotten. And then worst of all you excuse your cursing and condemnation with claims you are a Christian (which claim is suspect to say the least) and you can therefore curse other Christians.

You think I am n being personal when it is purely doctrinal. But I guess that's why you resort to personal insults. You think John's words about doing righteousness means works make us righteous. You never answered me when I specifically asked you about that. You claim you believe Christ's cross is necessary and YOU ONLY SUGGESTED people like muslims can be saved, but when push comes to shove and someone states religions all accords the world have God's truth in them you agree!

You quote Paul's words about those who think they know are those who actually know nothing completely out of context, implying no one can know they're saved til the end, when Paul distinctly said people were saved in his day and were still alive, and then say you never said no one can know.

You claim the question asking "Does the golden rule save without the cross?" was fine without a bias added to it in the first post, and then turn around and say the question was biased itself. Switch and bait. Switch and bait. Never talk detailed scripture. Dude, you just know barely a smidgeon about the bible, and try to pretend you're an expert. And then ditch it all with insults beyond average imagination.

[shazeep]

unless, i have missed it, no one in your camp seems willing to touch "Judge yourself, do not judge others," as you seem to be implying that your poll was not biased, or that i somehow changed tack there, when imo the "poll" results pretty much say it all?

but now you sell your own countrymen, and we have to buy them back." They remained silent and could not say a word.

[mfblume]

You actually missed my view on judge not. When I noticed you thought I meant I only use the golden rule to those who themselves do so, I said i didn't mean that. I meant everyone in any religion who does the golden rule are those whom I acknowledge who fulfill it. You never answered me back after I clarified it.

Anyway, no one here thinks judge not is a rule that saves them. And no one denied applying scripture that makes statements of salvation is not judging.

[shazeep]

applying scripture that makes statements of salvation

is subjective, and all ___ are lost is building a wall instead of a bridge
and we are not even having the same convo, sorry. you justify horror, even as the leaders of empire make empty gestures at reconciliation, Muslim prayers and Pentecostal approval of Universal Dominion, right there in the UN, while they simultaneously fund both sides of war, your posterity footing the bill.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

applying scripture that makes statements of salvation

is subjective, and all ___ are lost is building a wall instead of a bridge
and we are not even having the same convo, sorry. you justify horror, even as the leaders of empire make empty gestures at reconciliation, Muslim prayers and Pentecostal approval of Universal Dominion, right there in the UN, while they simultaneously fund both sides of war, your posterity footing the bill.

Always distorting judgment,. and thinking you are right.

Again, most here agree it is NOT judging to point to a scripture like Mark 16:16 and say all who do not obey that are lost.

You justify crossless religion.

And you do not understand the soul who sins shall die, not the soul whose brothers agree on one part of the bible and commit sins is judged by their sins.

Why was it you never answered me when I said your clarification of what you meant by SUGGESTIONS was believed by me while you refuse to believe my clarifications? More fruit exposed, I'd say.

[shazeep]

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[Jito463]

The funny thing is, the Catholics teach that if you're not in the Catholic church, you're condemned to hell. And yet we're the haters, for saying if they don't follow the Biblical plan of salvation, then they're lost.

[shazeep]

this does not allow for a Catholic to be at variance with their law, as you are with yours. Iow you do not agree with every single point of any person's private doctrine, and yet you bow to men in doctrine. Men can draw you from your first love, which i doubt included "they are all lost." And "they are all lost" has a cost, a very high one.

[shazeep]

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