Saddened by NY Grand Jury Decision To NOT Indict

[Praxeas]

"That does not appear to have been the case. Garner did not die of asphyxiation, as the head of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association noted at the time. The preliminary autopsy showed no damage to Garner’s windpipe or neck bones.

So what was Pantaleo doing? He was applying a submission hold, which is not barred by the NYPD, and is designed to deprive the brain of oxygen by stopping blood flow through the arteries. So say the experts on submission holds.

It appears that the so-called chokehold was instrumental in triggering Garner’s pre-existing health problems and causing his death, but Garner was not choked to death, as the media seems to maintain. According to Garner’s friends, he “had several health issues: diabetes, sleep apnea, and asthma so severe that he had to quit his job as a horticulturist for the city’s parks department. He wheezed when he talked and could not walk a block without resting, they said.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...ts-Eric-Garner

[n david]

Whatever you want to call it, the cop put his arm around the man's neck, causing him to be unable to breathe. That resulted in stress being placed on the heart which caused the cardiac arrest.

One led to another.... and it all directly resulted from a thug in uniform.

Call it a choke hold, call it a headlock, call it a hug if you want. I'll call it negligent homicide. He should have known what his actions could lead to. I'll bet it wasn't his first use of excessive force, and it likely won't be the last.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by n david

Whatever you want to call it, the cop put his arm around the man's neck, causing him to be unable to breathe. That resulted in stress being placed on the heart which caused the cardiac arrest.

One led to another.... and it all directly resulted from a thug in uniform.

Call it a choke hold, call it a headlock, call it a hug if you want. I'll call it negligent homicide. He should have known what his actions could lead to. I'll bet it wasn't his first use of excessive force, and it likely won't be the last.

That about sums it up. Amen

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by n david

Whatever you want to call it, the cop put his arm around the man's neck, causing him to be unable to breathe.

You obviously did not read any of the links I posted

The Autopsy only gave what he did as a contributor factor. He also listed the dude KNEELING on the mans back and him being on his stomach

Ok he did not have a problem breathing until they rolled him on his stomach.

Why are you all trying to make this guy the scape goat?

If it was the man putting him in a headlock then the man should have been unable to breath before being on the ground and then rolling over

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by n david

Whatever you want to call it, the cop put his arm around the man's neck, causing him to be unable to breathe. That resulted in stress being placed on the heart which caused the cardiac arrest.

One led to another.... and it all directly resulted from a thug in uniform.

Call it a choke hold, call it a headlock, call it a hug if you want. I'll call it negligent homicide. He should have known what his actions could lead to. I'll bet it wasn't his first use of excessive force, and it likely won't be the last.

And NONE of this would have happened if the perp had simply put his hands behind his back when told he was under arrest. Let's place the blame where it belongs. It's not the officers fault he was resisting. And this wasn't the perps first rodeo either. He knew what he was doing and what the result was going to be.

[good samaritan]

There are people in uniform who probably shouldn't be, but the vast majority are just doing their jobs like everyone else in this country. I have connections to our local pd and you can listen to the scanner and it would blow your mind at the foolishness they endure. people will insult the pd but they will be the first to call over any little thing.

Whether or not the officer used excessive force or not the wages of sin is death. This man did not innocently leave out into eternity. We truly reap what we sow and when it comes down to it the officer will one day stand before a righteous judge also. Christians should not be stirring the pot of hate.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

There are people in uniform who probably shouldn't be, but the vast majority are just doing their jobs like everyone else in this country. I have connections to our local pd and you can listen to the scanner and it would blow your mind at the foolishness they endure. people will insult the pd but they will be the first to call over any little thing.

Whether or not the officer used excessive force or not the wages of sin is death. This man did not innocently leave out into eternity. We truly reap what we sow and when it comes down to it the officer will one day stand before a righteous judge also. Christians should not be stirring the pot of hate.

Agreed and let me restate that the Police did not make this law. Those guys were called out there, they got a call ok? How would citizens feel if their police ignored calls?

[n david]

Yes, blame the dead guy. I mean, he was black and a big man, so it must have been his fault.

It couldn't be that this is a bad cop, right? Forget about the previous complaints for excessive force and the two lawsuits against him for unlawful arrests.

It's the dead black guy's fault.

Forget that contrary to what PO claims, the cops were NOT called on Eric Garner. The fact was he was there when a fight broke out nearby, and he broke it up. When these thugs in blue showed up, they recognized him and began harassing him. Why? Because they knew he had a rap sheet selling black market cigarettes.

Garner was minding his own business. Look at the video, he doesn't have anything. What, is he selling cigarettes individually?

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Look at the pic and be honest. That is a choke hold. The cop's arm is around and under his chin and against his throat. After doing that, the cop then stands up and is shoving Garner's head and neck down against the pavement.

Look at the official autopsy and tell me what it says. I already know, but you people humor me.

It doesn't say he died resisting arrest. Doesn't say he died from being obese. Doesn't say he died from anything HE caused.

On Aug. 1, a New York City medical examiner determined that the cause of death in the Garner case was "homicide," specifically the neck compressions from the Pantaleo's chokehold and "the compression of [Garner's] chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police"

Judge Napolitano gets it. His words, "I think it is clearly a case for [b]criminally negligent homicide."

I'm with the Judge on this one. Stop blaming the victim, his weight and prior rap sheet and put the blame where it belongs - on a bad cop who has a sheet of his own and lawsuits filed against him.

Eric Garner was NOT Michael Brown. And Pantaleo is NOT Officer Wilson.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by n david

Yes, blame the dead guy. I mean, he was black and a big man, so it must have been his fault.

It couldn't be that this is a bad cop, right? Forget about the previous complaints for excessive force and the two lawsuits against him for unlawful arrests.

It's the dead black guy's fault.

Forget that contrary to what PO claims, the cops were NOT called on Eric Garner. The fact was he was there when a fight broke out nearby, and he broke it up. When these thugs in blue showed up, they recognized him and began harassing him. Why? Because they knew he had a rap sheet selling black market cigarettes.

Garner was minding his own business. Look at the video, he doesn't have anything. What, is he selling cigarettes individually?

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Look at the pic and be honest. That is a choke hold. The cop's arm is around and under his chin and against his throat. After doing that, the cop then stands up and is shoving Garner's head and neck down against the pavement.

Look at the official autopsy and tell me what it says. I already know, but you people humor me.

It doesn't say he died resisting arrest. Doesn't say he died from being obese. Doesn't say he died from anything HE caused.



Judge Napolitano gets it. His words, "I think it is clearly a case for [b]criminally negligent homicide."

I'm with the Judge on this one. Stop blaming the victim, his weight and prior rap sheet and put the blame where it belongs - on a bad cop who has a sheet of his own and lawsuits filed against him.

Eric Garner was NOT Michael Brown. And Pantaleo is NOT Officer Wilson.

They think all cops are nice. Some of them are but from what I've seen many are not.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

They think all cops are nice. Some of them are but from what I've seen many are not.

that's idiotic and another emotional response. Nobody believes all cops are nice.