Saddened by NY Grand Jury Decision To NOT Indict

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Every news link I look into shows that the Medical Examiner states that Garner died of a Neck being compressed amongst other factors.

and the OTHER factors are being prone on his chest AND preexisting conditions PLURAL


Which I have stated several times and quoted from the news and provided links...which were all ignored

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by n david

What do you mean with the statement in bold? The PRIMARY cause of death was done by the cop. The compression of neck and chest were not listed as contributing factors. Just trying to clarify this, since I missed doing so earlier.

You have several times made it seem I said he died from Asthma without what the police did contributing to his death.

Several times you ignored that I included what the police did as contributing to his death

Contributed is not the opposite of Primary..except in your world.

You lied several times.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by n david

Nope. You cut the sentence off to make it look like I did, but I didn't.

Ndavid said, "But with the hemoraghing he would've died anyway from the stress placed on his heart."

So that doesn't say the hemorraghing alone would have caused the heart attack that killed garner?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by n david

What CR did you read? What I read said primary cause was unrelated to any preex condition. Even without any preex conditions, the primary cause of death would still be the primary cause. Again, enough stress placed on the heart from lack of breathing could cause even the fittest person to suffer cardiac arrest.


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You are still being dishonest. Nothing I said was about any primary cause or denial of a primary cause. What you are doing is inserting meaning into my words. Please stop.

The word CONTRIBUTE does not negate primary or secondary. It just means what it means, they contributed. Contribute does not mean "they contributed equally" nor does contribute mean "They asthma was the primary cause"

You are dishonestly reading ALL that into my words.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by n david

Hilarious. You skipped the part where it says, "death was caused by 'the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," and instead highlighted the contributing factors.

No I did NOT skip that part. You are being dishonest by ignoring my point, which was to highlight the part YOU were skipping.

That is blatantly dishonest. I pointed out before that you were manipulating my comments and ignoring the context they were said in and that is a prime example. You are being very dishonest and it saddens me

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It wasn't a choke hold.

The man resisted police. Tell me what should they have done?

Cigarettes? The Police don't make the laws. They get sent out and told to enforce it

BTW can someone tell me why the other officers who were on the man's back and pressing down were not also charged? How come nobody wants to lynch them or the black female supervisor who supervised it all?

"
The preliminary autopsy findings could be welcome news for Police Officer Daniel Pantaleo, now named as the cop who wrapped his arm around Eric Garner’s throat while trying to ..arrest him.


“If you’re the defense counsel in this case, this is very good news, because it’s consistent with what appears to be the case — that they didn’t mean to hurt him,” said John Jay College of Criminal Justice Professor Eugene O’Donnell.


But a source close to the Medical Examiner’s investigation said coroners are also investigating whether the chokehold still contributed to Garner’s death by aggravating his pre-existing conditions of obesity, asthma and possible heart disease. He died of cardiac arrest in the ambulance on the way to the hospital."

http://nypost.com/2014/07/19/man-in-...amage-autopsy/

I never ignored the chokehold or other factors contributed OR that they were primary. You are dishonestly playing with my words

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Are you gonna read these this time?

"Medical examiner spokeswoman Julie Bolcer said Friday that Eric Garner's July 17 death has been ruled a homicide.
Bolcer says his death was caused by "the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police." She says asthma and heart disease were contributing factors."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/01...nyc-man-ruled/

Why the medical examiner calls it Homicide

http://time.com/3618279/eric-garner-...niel-pantaleo/

I did not ignore it! I quoted it! I EMPHASIZED a part YOU needed to see.

Stop trying to distort my words and reading your own meaning into them

[n david]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Ndavid said, "But with the hemoraghing he would've died anyway from the stress placed on his heart."

So that doesn't say the hemorraghing alone would have caused the heart attack that killed garner?

No, else I would've written, "the hemorrhaging alone would've caused the heart attack which killed Garner."

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I read them! Did you read any of my links? Any? Ive posted several on the topic of whether it was a chokehold or not and other issues and I get the feeling that you have not bothered.

Im quoting..AGAIN

Eric Garner, a black man whose confrontation with a white police officer has prompted calls by the Rev. Al Sharpton for federal prosecution, was killed by neck compressions from the chokehold and "the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," city medical examiner spokeswoman Julie Bolcer said.


Asthma, heart disease and obesity were contributing factors in the death of the 43-year-old Garner, a 6-foot-3, 350-pound father of six, she said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5642481.html

Ok...did you see it that time?



Once again you are pretending I denied the compression of the neck was a contributing factor. Once again you show that you are unable to read what I write objectively

Is anyone else seeing this? That is the 4th time David has done that and he claims he is not being emotional. What is next when someone is dishonest about what others say?


Thats not what I said LOL...Mr Emotional. Read what I said. I said ONE arm was under Eric's arm. the OTHER was around the neck. That is a RESTRAINT used to subdue someone. The Compresion was not around the wind pipe. It was around the neck. sheeeesh

WOW. that's 5 times now you have ignored what I said and inserted your own made up version

Pay attention. This is what I have BEEN saying for days

3 factors contributed to Eric's death.

The compression around the neck.

Being on his stomach with someone on his back

AND

Preexisting Medical conditions

It was NOT an illegal Chokehold. It was a submission moved in two respects. One was the arm bar, to get leverage and bring him down. The other is pressure on the artery. That second part is an MMA move and cops all across America use it around the neck putting pressure on the artery NOT on the wind pipe

That has been what I have been saying David and for some reason you have come along and changed it. You need to ask yourself why because I've already formed my opinion.

THERE I am again NOT Skipping that part of the autopsy

I never denied what the police did contributed. You have several times portrayed me as arguing it was his own preexisting conditions that killed him and not the actions of the police where as I said several times they ALL contributed.

The word contribute is not a biased word that stresses one factor over the other as less of a cause or more of a cause...what you are doing is dishonestly reading that INTO the word contribute

[n david]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I did not ignore it! I quoted it! I EMPHASIZED a part YOU needed to see.

Stop trying to distort my words and reading your own meaning into them

Again, you may have intended that, but it came across as you highlighting only the part which you've been arguing.

Especially since you didn't say why it was done that way in your original post.