Saddened by NY Grand Jury Decision To NOT Indict

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

David was acting like an idiot when he posted this. It's a really stupid post:

Stupid to you perhaps. Based on your posts defending both this cop and the choke hold cop, it was a valid claim.

I love how freely you call me an idiot and say my posts are stupid and unintelligent.

I have a word for you, too, but I'll keep it to myself.

Until you have a constructive argument that isn't condescending and arrogant, which isn't belittling and appearing to be written by a hormonal woman off her psych meds, I'd suggest you ignore my posts and not address me for a while.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Yes, I do. It has a couple of meanings and I am referring to violent activities of a criminal gang. It doesn't have to take on the definition you are referring to. Ganging up on someone is gang banging. It's like a mob mentality.

Actually I was referring to the thug like behavior. Don't assume, cause you know what that makes you.

And seriously? Please. No "gang banging" going on here. Don't be so dramatic.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

Stupid to you perhaps. Based on your posts defending both this cop and the choke hold cop, it was a valid claim.

I love how freely you call me an idiot and say my posts are stupid and unintelligent.

Sorry, David, but this post is stupid both coming and going:

Originally Posted by n david

I would wager a cop could be filmed beating an unarmed, disabled person to death and PO would still claim the officer was in the clear and blame the unarmed, disabled, dead person for something.

I have a word for you, too, but I'll keep it to myself.

Until you have a constructive argument that isn't condescending and arrogant, which isn't belittling and appearing to be written by a hormonal woman off her psych meds, I'd suggest you ignore my posts and not address me for a while.

Sounds like a plan. In the meantime, get yourself some popcorn and watch Serpico. You will probably feel better afterward.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'm not going to call anyone stupid. .

How about an idiot? You seem comfortable with that word

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Take a deep breath Sister PO......

lol...in a cartoon called Jackie Chan's Adventures, this is Sister Po

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

When the Ranger's report comes back showing the officer was wrong for the traffic stop and used excessive force, will you call them idiots and claim the officer is innocent? Or will you admit the officer acted stupidly and needs to learn the law before trying to enforce it?

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'm not going to call anyone stupid. I just want to know what actually happened. Vasquez is walking away when the Police Officer is speaking to him. I am just saying that I wouldn't have done that.

All of the police officers in my county are great, caring, hard working men and women. I respect them all.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

How about an idiot? You seem comfortable with that word

Context, Prax. We were discussing the findings of the investigation, not comments made by posters.

[jfrog]

PO, you missed an important opportunity to ask ndavid if whether the texas rangers report and other facts you were waiting on exonorated the officer if he would still call him guilty or if he would just claim the whole system is corrupt.

[n david]

Originally Posted by jfrog

PO, you missed an important opportunity to ask ndavid if whether the texas rangers report and other facts you were waiting on exonorated the officer if he would still call him guilty or if he would just claim the whole system is corrupt.

Or you could just ask the question.

If the TX Rangers report find that while on the ground, out of view of the camera, Vasquez suddenly went Rambo and the officer felt threatened and was justified using Level 3 force, then I'm fine with that. There are two men standing nearby who had an excellent view of the whole incident, one of which stood there the whole time. Those witnesses should help describe what the dashcam did not record.

There are two issues at play here - the traffic stop and the use of force. We already know from the Chief's comments and the written law that the officer was in the wrong making the traffic stop. He simply didn't know the law he was trying to enforce. That alone should bring internal discipline.

The use of force is separate. The Chief stated the force used was what they refer to as Level 3 force, which requires the officer to be under threat. The beginning of the video is crystal clear in that Vasquez made no threatening moves towards or against the officer. He walked to the back of the car, trying to point out the tags and then moved to go inside, more than likely to get the owners to help clear up the officer's mistake. At that point, it's the officer who grabs Vasquez without warning, pulling his arm up behind his back, then shoving him against the squad car before body slamming him to the ground. What happens on the ground isn't captured by the dashcam, but is seen by 2 witnesses watching everything. Did Vasquez suddenly become enraged on the ground and threaten the officer? Unfortunately even the audio is unclear due to the rap music and police radio. You can hear the officer screaming at Vasquez though, which is odd, considering a certain person on here doesn't believe officers have emotions or are able to become angry and lose control of a situation.

If the report states the cop is justified for the force, fine. If he was not justified in his use of force, and if there are criminal statutes which are applicable, I hope he's prosecuted.

[n david]

It appears the not all law officers in Victoria are good and honorable.

[Victoria Criminal District Attorney Stephen] Tyler has prosecuted Victoria law enforcement before.

In 2007, former Victoria police officer Carlos Javier Echeverry was charged with official oppression.

Echeverry was accused of stopping and detaining a woman Aug. 20, 2006, for the purpose of making a sexual advance. Specifically, he was charged with touching the woman's breasts, according to the indictment.

Tyler also later prosecuted [former Victoria Police Chief Bruce] Ure, a police lieutenant and two other city officials. Some of the charges against them were aggravated perjury and misuse of official information.

"I don't have any qualms about prosecuting people that I think are guilty, regardless of what they do for a living."

Oh my! What an idiot, right PO? How dare he feel that way!

Good to see the DA isn't afraid to go after bad guys wearing blue.

Tyler has said a possible charge for Robinson could include injury to an elderly, a third-degree felony, or official misconduct, a misdemeanor. At the same time, he said, Vasquez could face a charge of resisting arrest, a misdemeanor.

Tyler pointed to Section 38.03 of the Texas Penal Code, which states a person cannot resist arrest even if is an unlawful arrest.

Section 38.03 is asinine.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by jfrog

PO, you missed an important opportunity to ask ndavid if whether the texas rangers report and other facts you were waiting on exonorated the officer if he would still call him guilty or if he would just claim the whole system is corrupt.

We'll have to see after the final report is given.

My main concern, whatever the video looked like or whatever the investigation turns up, I want to know what the Police Officer has to say. If he is guilty of anything, I just want due process.

I wanted to know what the Police Officer had to say in the Michael Brown case. Haven't we learned anything about rushing to judgment?

We can't rush to judgment. All I know, which I stated before, is that Vasquez was resisting arrest, which is against the law. When he pointed back at the car and continued walking, blowing off the Police Officer, I want to know what was being said at that point.

The Police Officer has a good record, but in this incident, he appears to be a hot head. I just want to know more about that. I want to know what was said to cause him to arrest Vasquez. The video is simply not enough for me. I need an investigation, I need testimony.

If any charges are handed down, at least I would get to hear his side. That's all I wanted from the beginning. When I viewed the video for the first time, Vasquez walking away from the Police Office is what stood out to me over anything. I've been curious about that from the beginning. My husband also stated he wouldn't have reacted in that way. He wouldn't have walked away when the Police Officer was speaking to him.