Saddened by NY Grand Jury Decision To NOT Indict - Page 19

BrotherEastman · #**181** 12-13-2014, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasha

A picture can't tell you what is really taking place. I have seen that hold done on people in the movies, yet they weren't really in a chokehold. It looked like one for the intent of the movie, but it wasn't really being done, obviously.

In real life, people who resist arrest are taken down in the same manner every day. There are people who have had heart attacks and died while being arrested, even those who went peacefully. That's not the cops fault. If you are committing a crime, the officers concern is NOT your medical issues or condition of health. That's the problem of the criminal.

They may be taken down the same way but their airway isn't hindered. This cop is a thug, he had his arm around the suspects (not criminal's) neck. The cop also has a history of BRUTALITY.

BrotherEastman · #**182** 12-13-2014, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Mr. Asthmatic Garner, selling Loosies, who didn't care about his breathing problems nor yours. Irony...

And the family mainly the kids will not grow up with a father because of some thug of a cop.

Sasha · #**183** 12-13-2014, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Sasha, this is an idiotic statement. As a soldier you fight to kill, as a police officer you subdue and arrest (not kill). BIG DIFFERENCE my friend. The only time a police officer has the right to kill is when their own life is in jeopardy and in this case no ones life was in jeopardy. As I have said before, pictures say a thousand words and 4 police officers could've done a job of subduing one man without killing him. PERIOD!

Not in all cases does a soldier kill. I'm not speaking about war necessarily. Even today they capture people for interrogations, not kill them. I was comparing the tactics and training used to subdue an individual who might be dangerous. You don't see the comparison?

n david · #**184** 12-13-2014, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasha

A picture can't tell you what is really taking place. I have seen that hold done on people in the movies, yet they weren't really in a chokehold. It looked like one for the intent of the movie, but it wasn't really being done, obviously.

Uhm, what? We're not talking about some Hollywood movie. And that image was taken from a video which recorded the incident. Have you seen the video?

The guy is on the ground, gasping for air. The cop has his arm under his chin and around his neck. The victim says, "I can't breathe," nine times and they do nothing. In fact, even after the man is cuffed and not a threat, they (cops and medics) still stand around and take their time attending to him.

Sasha · #**185** 12-13-2014, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

They may be taken down the same way but their airway isn't hindered. This cop is a thug, he had his arm around the suspects (not criminal's) neck. The cop also has a history of BRUTALITY.

The guy was a criminal, and a very well known one.

As for the cop having a history of brutality, do you have a link for that? I saw you post that before but I'm not finding anything except where two men claimed he strip searched them in public but it was found to be false.

n david · #**186** 12-13-2014, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

Oftentimes the best thing to do is to get out of the public mind. Threatening to sue others and demand retractions and corrections on something as subjective as a chokehold is a faster way to incite hate of yourself than just keeping your mouth shut

I don't buy it. The cop will have enemies either way. However, not defending himself makes him look more guilty.

Sasha · #**187** 12-13-2014, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

And the family mainly the kids will not grow up with a father because of some thug of a cop.

A father with over 30 arrests. Yeah, that father. His widow is blaming the cop for her having to go out and get a job now that her criminal husband is no longer able to continue with illegal activities to feed his family. Yeah, that father.

You do understand that the grand jury saw and heard all of the evidence that led to their conclusion, right? And most of that evidence we still haven't heard about.

Everyone in the Mike Brown case was all about how he was surrendering and denied he was coming at the cop...until the evidence released after the grand jury decision showed the blood evidence showing that Brown had turned around after running and came back at the cop at least 25 feet.

I don't want to switch topics here, but the point is, you and I don't know what other evidence there might have been that was shown to the GJ that led them to their decision, even the testimony of the other cops who were also part of that takedown.

Sasha · #**188** 12-13-2014, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

Uhm, what? We're not talking about some Hollywood movie. And that image was taken from a video which recorded the incident. Have you seen the video?

The guy is on the ground, gasping for air. The cop has his arm under his chin and around his neck. The victim says, "I can't breathe," nine times and they do nothing. In fact, even after the man is cuffed and not a threat, they (cops and medics) still stand around and take their time attending to him.

Ah, now we might get somewhere.

For one thing, after he was on the ground, the cop released his hold instead holding his face to the ground while another put his knee into Garner's back. As for stating he can't breathe, they all say that, along with, "you are hurting me, you are breaking my arm, leg, pulling my hair" yada yada. If they were to release a suspect every time one claimed to be hurting or not breathing, we would see a sharp rise in cops being killed.

That aside, let's address the EMTs, who were initially suspended then reinstated without charges or terminations. I really don't understand why they stood around if that guy really needed their help. Suspects being injured is not a rare happening. It happens quite often, especially if the suspect is resisting. People have claimed heart attacks and are taken to the hospital and after treatment (in most cases, it was nothing), they go back to jail.

I have not seen anything about the EMTs other than what I stated above. Have you heard anything or read anything? I cannot find any info on that and for me, I think it's important to know.