Saddened by NY Grand Jury Decision To NOT Indict

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by jfrog

That is a good observation. I think there was enough officers around him when he fell that it wouldn't have been a super hard fall. Probably more of a controlled fall

He landed on pavement not the cop.....controlled fall? really?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The Autopsy only gave what he did as a contributor factor. He also listed the dude KNEELING on the mans back and him being on his stomach

Ok he did not have a problem breathing until they rolled him on his stomach.

What do you mean with the statement in bold? The PRIMARY cause of death was done by the cop. The compression of neck and chest were not listed as contributing factors. Just trying to clarify this, since I missed doing so earlier.

The last statement about not having problems breathing until he was on his stomach is a guess and not based on any proof or fact.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Once again that cop did not kill him. The contributing factors include being placed on his stomach and having someone stick their knee on his back and press down. That is VERY common for a take down arrest when someone resists.

No, the compression of the chest was listed as a primary cause, not contributing factor.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

There was no damage to his windpipe. He did not suffocate to death

Correct that he didn't die from suffocation; however, a person can be choked and not show damage to the windpipe. It is possible.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

He went into Cardiac arrest. that could have happened to anyone with a bad heart

Again, here's my issue with the repeated references to his preex conditions: they weren't the primary cause of death. Garner didn't just drop dead from a preex condition, his neck and chest were compressed to the point it caused stress on the heart. He wasn't able to breathe. Man, I have no preex conditions, but there's a chance if my neck and chest are compressed to where I cannot breathe....I could have cardiac arrest.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Repeating. It was a legal hold, not an illegal chokehold. The man died from cardiac arrest not asphyxia

The Coroners report said it was merely a contributing factor along with his poor health and being on his chest with someone compressing down on his back

Again. that's not true. The compressions were the primary, NOT contributing, cause of death.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

And someone on his back causing his cardiac arrest?
I DID actually NOT deny that could or did contribute to the heart. You missed that because, as I said, you are functioning on Emotions.

I never said you did. My post was a sarcastic reference to the continued, and incorrect, emphasis on the preex conditions.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

He didn't die from asphyxia

There was no damage to his windpipe

He has asthma

He didn't die from asthma, did he? Every report I've read has the primary cause of death as a result of what the cop did to him, not because of a preex condition. I never said he died from asphyxia. Read my earliest posts, I've always said the actions of the cop caused the cardiac arrest.

tbc...

[n david]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

He landed on pavement not the cop.....controlled fall? really?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

He landed on pavement not the cop.....controlled fall? really?

Yes sir.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Yes sir.

Let me ask you a question: How does one who doesn't know he's about to fall control his own fall? The cop wasn't injured because he knew he was about to fall but Garner, however, did not. That being said, four cops did not control his fall, one tried to surprise Garner and did a fine job of it.

[BrotherEastman]

Gotta get ready for church, see ya.

[jfrog]

Just curious if garner tried to run 3 miles and had a heart attack wiuld running 3 miles be his primary cause of death? I'm not sure, just asking.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

the Coroner report said it WAS a Preexisting condition along with the other factors

What CR did you read? What I read said primary cause was unrelated to any preex condition. Even without any preex conditions, the primary cause of death would still be the primary cause. Again, enough stress placed on the heart from lack of breathing could cause even the fittest person to suffer cardiac arrest.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Are you gonna read these this time?

"Medical examiner spokeswoman Julie Bolcer said Friday that Eric Garner's July 17 death has been ruled a homicide.
Bolcer says his death was caused by "the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police." She says asthma and heart disease were contributing factors."

Hilarious. You skipped the part where it says, "death was caused by 'the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," and instead highlighted the contributing factors.

That, in a nutshell, is what my issue with you has been. I may be wrong, but when I see what you chose to highlight it appears, IMO, you're ignoring the actual cause of death in order to try and say the cops weren't at fault.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I never said he just died of a preexisting condition WOW...that's the third time you did that

Let me make it clear once again. He died from a combination of factors including the Police actions AND his preexisting condition.

Ok? It happens. Police have to restrain someone and that someone has a preexisting condition and dies or is seriously hurt

Im not sure why you keep reading something that is not there...or are you doing that intentionally but my only guess is it's because you are being subjective not objective

He did not die from a combination of factors. There is a primary cause listed. Even without the contributing factors, he would have been dead from the primary cause.

The part in bold is obviously not about Garner, correct?

tbc another time. This is taking a while and I have some things to get done.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Just curious if garner tried to run 3 miles and had a heart attack wiuld running 3 miles be his primary cause of death? I'm not sure, just asking.

You know, a bullet to the chest can cause a heart attack. A hard punch to the chest or a kick maybe. Just to name a few. These are contributing causes, just as the cops choke hold was a contributing factor.

[BrotherEastman]

going to church now, talk at yall later.