Saddened by NY Grand Jury Decision To NOT Indict

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by n david

You're kidding, right? There is no way you can look at the video and claim it wasn't a choke hold. It was an obvious hold. And then, a cop pushes down on his head and neck while Garner is pleading and saying, "I can breathe," over and over and over.

It wasn't premeditated murder, but this was absolutely negligent homicide.

Again, I hope this cop gets fired. His actions directly led to the death of a man. Odds are, this cop has used excessive force before and, if allowed, he'll do it again.

No. Not kidding. It was a take down move. I've done things like that when wrestling with friends as a kid. A Chokehold..what was outlawed by the police, is a move to actually CHOKE someone. The is a difference between taking someone down from behind (getting leverege) and choking someone's wind pipe.

Now maybe its possible as this man rolls over that it turned into one but Read that nypost article. There was no damage.

Also being ignored...he died because his preexisting condition and chest compression...he did not have a problem breathing until AFTER they rolled him over.

I ask again how do they subdue and cuff a man that is resisting???? Hello?

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No. Not kidding. It was a take down move. I've done things like that when wrestling with friends as a kid. A Chokehold..what was outlawed by the police, is a move to actually CHOKE someone. The is a difference between taking someone down from behind (getting leverege) and choking someone's wind pipe.

Now maybe its possible as this man rolls over that it turned into one but Read that nypost article. There was no damage.

Also being ignored...he died because his preexisting condition and chest compression...he did not have a problem breathing until AFTER they rolled him over.

I ask again how do they subdue and cuff a man that is resisting???? Hello?

The move was a headlock, not a choke hold per media. There's a legal difference.

This was a tragedy. Period. Nothing more and nothing less. The victim didn't die because he was black, and the officer didn't have malice towards the victim. It's a sad tragedy. Lot's of "if"s and "but"s on all sides here.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by StillStanding

The move was a headlock, not a choke hold per media. There's a legal difference.

This was a tragedy. Period. Nothing more and nothing less. The victim didn't die because he was black, and the officer didn't have malice towards the victim. It's a sad tragedy. Lot's of "if"s and "but"s on all sides here.

Yes...also people confuse a Choke hold...meant to cut off air with the BJJ move "Chokehold" meant to cut off blood flow to the brain and pass you out

But what this was instead was an attempt to bring him down

But what i want to know is why the officers who were oh his back were not also charged?

Also why didn't the supervisor present stop it when she heard him saying he can't breath??

[Praxeas]

Maybe they should have pepper sprayed him...no no...he had asthma..plus it rarely works

[StillStanding]

If the LEO had put a choke hold on the victim, he would not have been able to breath OR TALK at all. I do agree that the headlock should have been loosened when the guy complained that he couldn't breath. We obviously don't know the info the was given to the grand jury. I have heard that the officer in charge in this situation was black.

Looking at the video itself, I can see where disciplinary actions should be taken against the officers involved. What we are not hearing is all the facts that led up to 10 officers needing to take this man down. Yes, the police tactics used were instrumental in the man's death. But, some responsibility must lie on the victim himself for resisting arrest. We can all agree that had he complied with police requests, he would be alive today! It's a tragedy of errors.

[BrotherEastman]

Cops are another form of American thugs.

[Praxeas]

What should they have done? Quit their jobs?

[Michael The Disciple]

Here is my perspective. I work in the Mental Health sector. If an individual becomes aggressive to the point where he or she must be "restrained" there are signs we are trained to watch for.

If an individual says "I cant breathe" we MUST release them. Period. One might say its a different situation. Not true. Some of the people we deal with have long histories of violent assault. We at times are concerned for our lives our the lives of others.

And YET according to the DOJ if we do not comply with their regulations WE can be charged with abuse.

Why are the cops not held to at least the same standard? I mean if their situation gets bad at least they have tasers and pistols. We have nothing except a few restraining holds and being allowed to "block".

If we do one of the "restraints" wrong we can be fired if not hauled off to jail when in reality we are defending our lives or the lives of others or even the life of the individual.

Now I dont want to make it to strict on the cops but we might wonder why our lives (in this occupation) are of so much less value than them?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Here is my perspective. I work in the Mental Health sector. If an individual becomes aggressive to the point where he or she must be "restrained" there are signs we are trained to watch for.

If an individual says "I cant breathe" we MUST release them. Period. One might say its a different situation. Not true. Some of the people we deal with have long histories of violent assault. We at times are concerned for our lives our the lives of others.

And YET according to the DOJ if we do not comply with their regulations WE can be charged with abuse.

Why are the cops not held to at least the same standard? I mean if their situation gets bad at least they have tasers and pistols. We have nothing except a few restraining holds and being allowed to "block".

If we do one of the "restraints" wrong we can be fired if not hauled off to jail when in reality we are defending our lives or the lives of others or even the life of the individual.

Now I dont want to make it to strict on the cops but we might wonder why our lives (in this occupation) are of so much less value than them?

Tasers have killed people AND are unreliable. They don't shoot far, are inaccurate, only work if both darts penetrate clothes and stick. Even then I've seen video of a man being taxed a few times and was not affected other than it REALLY made him angry.

Guns kill. No matter what happens the police will be second guessed

[Praxeas]

The autopsy report says there was no damage to his esophagus
http://nypost.com/2014/07/19/man-in-...amage-autopsy/

Also watch this video. An expert confirms my point. It was not a choke hold that you are thinking of blocking his windpipe. He also points out that it was the others that should have been looked at that were on his back

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/vi...ehold.cnn.html