Saddened by NY Grand Jury Decision To NOT Indict

[Praxeas]

In none of my posts did I qualify one thing over another as the main reason he died. That is the lie you repeat.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

There is a lot in the news lately concerning black males meeting their deaths at the hands of white cops.

A lot of it sensational, but the sad truths in these stories don't change, despite the sensationalism and misplaced anger.

Still I find myself truly affected, saddened, by the NY Grand Jury decision to not indict Officer Pantaleo for the chokehold he put on civilian Eric Garner-- a chokehold that led to his death.

Even as his life was leaving his body, they stood next to him on the street, doing nothing and Eric Garner died at their feet, in broad daylight.

There is probably more that I am not aware of concerning this case.

Eric Garner was probably a repeat offender of selling individual cigarrettes, not that this, or anything else that could come to light, would make it worth while for the police to take his life.

The pattern of police abusing their power with Black males in America is complicated, but nonetheless, a pattern.

In the case of Eric Garner, I am shocked and saddened for him and for those who did love him.

I hope that the Attorney General can find some annomaly, some way, to get Officer Pantaleo-- Eric Garner's blood cries for justice.

My heart breaks for the injustice.

Some thoughts

First of all the GJ saw all the evidence. The angry people did not

He was belligerent from the get go, combative with the police by arguing and then he resisted arrest.

I don't know if this cop attempted a choke hold or not but the man was not complaining until only after he was on the ground and on his chest

It may be the cop was trying to restrain him and in the process of rolling over his arm compressed against the wind pipe

However these sorts of things happen without malice. Some people die from tazers...yet people were asking why don't cops just taze these guys?

If they did and the man dies , then cops would still be criticized

A cop shot a black man recently and it was caught on dash cam and the police man was prosecuted so people are over generalizing that justice is never served

Anyone that WANTS someone to be guilty does not believe in justice. They believe in an emotionally driven vigilante system and to have that is to throw our entire country into Chaos...You HOPE the AG can find an anomaly?

I HOPE people can check their emotions and look at the facts, not what the angry crowd says.

With the current state of affairs, if I was a cop I would quit. I would be afraid to defend myself vs a suspect. If i was a young person I would NEVER consider becoming a police officer...all because of the emotional questioning of what really happened

[Pressing-On]

11 Facts About the Eric Garner Case the Media Won't Tell You

Sources in the mainstream media expressed outrage after a grand jury declined to indict a New York City policeman in the death of Eric Garner, but there are 11 significant facts that many of them have chosen to overlook:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/eri.../04/id/611058/

[n david]

I disagree with the Grand Jury. Eric was murdered by a cop over stinking cigarettes. I hope his relatives sue the cop, NYPD and NYC.

I don't care if the choke hold didn't kill him. The choke hold was the trigger which set his death into motion.

That cop should be fired and serving time in prison.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by n david

I disagree with the Grand Jury. Eric was murdered by a cop over stinking cigarettes. I hope his relatives sue the cop, NYPD and NYC.

I don't care if the choke hold didn't kill him. The choke hold was the trigger which set his death into motion.

That cop should be fired and serving time in prison.

It wasn't a choke hold.

The man resisted police. Tell me what should they have done?

Cigarettes? The Police don't make the laws. They get sent out and told to enforce it

BTW can someone tell me why the other officers who were on the man's back and pressing down were not also charged? How come nobody wants to lynch them or the black female supervisor who supervised it all?

"
The preliminary autopsy findings could be welcome news for Police Officer Daniel Pantaleo, now named as the cop who wrapped his arm around Eric Garner’s throat while trying to ..arrest him.


“If you’re the defense counsel in this case, this is very good news, because it’s consistent with what appears to be the case — that they didn’t mean to hurt him,” said John Jay College of Criminal Justice Professor Eugene O’Donnell.


But a source close to the Medical Examiner’s investigation said coroners are also investigating whether the chokehold still contributed to Garner’s death by aggravating his pre-existing conditions of obesity, asthma and possible heart disease. He died of cardiac arrest in the ambulance on the way to the hospital."

http://nypost.com/2014/07/19/man-in-...amage-autopsy/

[Praxeas]

These cops have no reason to know about preexisting conditions when they try to subdue someone by whatever means. A tazer could have killed him and everyone would be second guessing using those

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It wasn't a choke hold.

The man resisted police. Tell me what should they have done?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

These cops have no reason to know about preexisting conditions when they try to subdue someone by whatever means. A tazer could have killed him and everyone would be second guessing using those

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It wasn't a choke hold.

The man resisted police. Tell me what should they have done?

Cigarettes? The Police don't make the laws. They get sent out and told to enforce it

BTW can someone tell me why the other officers who were on the man's back and pressing down were not also charged? How come nobody wants to lynch them or the black female supervisor who supervised it all?

"
The preliminary autopsy findings could be welcome news for Police Officer Daniel Pantaleo, now named as the cop who wrapped his arm around Eric Garner’s throat while trying to ..arrest him.


“If you’re the defense counsel in this case, this is very good news, because it’s consistent with what appears to be the case — that they didn’t mean to hurt him,” said John Jay College of Criminal Justice Professor Eugene O’Donnell.


But a source close to the Medical Examiner’s investigation said coroners are also investigating whether the chokehold still contributed to Garner’s death by aggravating his pre-existing conditions of obesity, asthma and possible heart disease. He died of cardiac arrest in the ambulance on the way to the hospital."

http://nypost.com/2014/07/19/man-in-...amage-autopsy/

I never ignored the chokehold or other factors contributed OR that they were primary. You are dishonestly playing with my words

[Praxeas]

http://nypost.com/2014/08/14/not-a-c...garner-arrest/

[n david]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It wasn't a choke hold.

You're kidding, right? There is no way you can look at the video and claim it wasn't a choke hold. It was an obvious hold. And then, a cop pushes down on his head and neck while Garner is pleading and saying, "I can breathe," over and over and over.

It wasn't premeditated murder, but this was absolutely negligent homicide.

Again, I hope this cop gets fired. His actions directly led to the death of a man. Odds are, this cop has used excessive force before and, if allowed, he'll do it again.