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Old 02-20-2015, 02:52 PM
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Re: My visit to a Messianic service yesterday

Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to EVERY ONE THAT BELIEVETH; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."

That should settle this discussion .... the gospel of Christ is for EVERYONE that believeth, Jews first, and then Greeks.
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Old 02-20-2015, 02:59 PM
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Re: My visit to a Messianic service yesterday

Anyone wanting to read the personal account of a Jew who had the veil ripped from his eyes and heart to follow the Messiah needs to read this book. I highly recommend it. I read it several years ago, and just got it out today, as it is pertinent to this ongoing discussion. It was highly enlightening, and awesome book to read. If you can't buy it, see if your local library has it. It is worth the read!

http://www.amazon.com/Why-Me-Jacob-D...rds=0883684403
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From what I can tell most "messianics" are charismatic christian gentiles who want to play at being jewish. Some actually do become jewish (talmud and all). A few may actually be former jews who became christians (jews for jesus btw seems to have disavowed the messianics).

And then there's Cohen Reckhart...
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Aaron, welcome to the discussion!

I appreciate your input, and based upon the explanation given of the selected scriptural passages, I can easily comprehend, albeit not agree, with your pov.

The unanswered question, not given but that must be the focus of Romans 11:23, is "when" will national Israel (referring strictly to the legitimate "blood-related" descendant of the Patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob ONLY; not those of mixed heritage or Gentiles who, of their own volition have converted to Judaism), no longer "abide in unbelief," for this, or so it appears, will be the factor that determines God's grafting them back into Himself, who is the "natural" Olive Tree.

In Romans 10:1-3 Paul acknowledged that his fellow Jews possessed "a zeal of God," however recognizing that this zeal was NOT according to knowledge (attributing this, albeit not stated, of course, to the results of that judgment of "gross spiritual blindness" God imposed upon their minds because of their rebellion against His commandments which was the major contributing factor in their rejection of Christ Jesus as their promised Messiah).

As a direct result of this devastating and far-reaching judgment, the whole of the Jewish nation was rendered "ignorant" of God's righteousness, and have, since that generation, gone "about to establish their own righteousness, (and) have NOT submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God" which would save them.

Such are those Jews who have become as part of the movement commonly known as Messianic Christianity. These are, for the greater part, Jews, including those of mixed heritage and Gentiles who have converted to Judaism, are of the Trinitarian persuasion, therefore they worship "another Jesus," but NOT the One True Son of God, who is the visible manifestation of the Almighty Spirit embodied in human flesh.

A careful study of the fundamental tenets of their teachings reveals a mixture of Jewish customs which were integral parts of the Law mixed with Christian practices. However, missing are the fundementals of the "apostles doctrines" as expressed by Peter and recorded by Luke in Acts 2:38. For these reasons, among many others which neither time nor space allows me to elaborate here more fully, I feel justified in rejecting them as just another subtle effort of the enemy designed to decieve the unlearned and unstable who wrest with the scriptures to their own destruction.

Will ALL of Israel ber saved? Absolutely! But only AFTER the coming glorious appearance of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and His triumphant physical return to the land of Israel! Until then we find that the scriptures disclose that ONLY 144,000 ("natural") Jews will be "sealed in their foreheads" and become one of the "two witnesses" of Revelation 11, with their brethren remaining "spiritually blinded" until His coming!
Lafon - after thinking about your pov, it sounds close to those who believe in predestination.
By this I mean your point that no "true" Jew can yet be saved. If someone who is a Jew professes a belief in Jesus, then you just say that they were not a "true" Jew.
Sounds like an easy out to justify your pov.
It also makes me uneasy, because I can see how this doctrine could come from the segment of society that hates the Jews.
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From what I can tell most "messianics" are charismatic christian gentiles who want to play at being jewish. Some actually do become jewish (talmud and all). A few may actually be former jews who became christians (jews for jesus btw seems to have disavowed the messianics).

And then there's Cohen Reckhart...
Yes, it seems to be a dangerous trap that people can fall into... once going back and taking on all the Jewish customs, and as you begin to immerse yourself into that culture, I have known of a few people who have rejected Christ (with Baptist background) because of their immersion into the Jewish culture.

Most gentile Messianic people I've met are very sincere, but you are right... they feel that it is a more authentic religion than what they came out of.
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The early Messianic movement was simply about Jews finding that Jesus (Yeshua) was the Messiah. It later evolved into a return to the law of God as given to Moses for Israel. Then certain streams of it taught that ALL must keep the law of Moses.

To me the good that came out of the movement was the recovering of the sacred names and the good Messianic worship.
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The early Messianic movement was simply about Jews finding that Jesus (Yeshua) was the Messiah. It later evolved into a return to the law of God as given to Moses for Israel. Then certain streams of it taught that ALL must keep the law of Moses.

To me the good that came out of the movement was the recovering of the sacred names and the good Messianic worship.
Huh?
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Huh?
Yea you know the Hebrew type worship. Far more spiritual than the country gospel or European type hymns we hear.

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Yea you know the Hebrew type worship. Far more spiritual than the country gospel or European type hymns we hear.

IMO.
Most of the messianic stuff I have heard sounds like New Age music to me. I'll stick to I'll Fly Away and It's All In Him.
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Most of the messianic stuff I have heard sounds like New Age music to me. I'll stick to I'll Fly Away and It's All In Him.
I was thankful when I first saw the Messianic group LAMB in about 1977. They made sounds that would remind me that Yeshua was a Jew.
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