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Old 08-24-2011, 03:55 AM
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What are the arguments against following the torah, not for salvation, but for the sake of being distinctive and learning more hebrew culture? I'm thinking apostolics follow holiness standards to be distinctive and separate, how about following the torah for the same purpose? Does anyone see anything wrong with that?

is seeking the "old paths" referring to 1950's culture or hebrew torah culture?

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DM, in following the Torah, we follow that which is fulfilled and abolished. The Law now stands to teach us about sin, and if you seek to keep part of the Law, then you must keep the whole. We have a higher and deeper law now, the law of Christ, which is infinitely higher than the Torah.

The Torah says not to commit adultery, but the law of Christ says that if a man looks upon a woman to lust after her, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart. The Torah speaks to the physical, while the law of Christ speaks to the spiritual. And trying to keep the law of Moses as a means of separation almost always leads to becoming a Noahide in salvation as well.
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Law keeping in the early church was such a problem and temptation to fall under legalism that it is a very unwise thing, I think. A lot of them who keep such rites actually demand them, but seek to lure people into them in the way you describe. Judaizers were the greatest threat to the early church in areas of people falling away. Paul distinctly said he only did such things in order to win Jews. Not for cultural reasons at all.
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I think it is good to study things but it would be impossible to live under it today.
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What are the arguments against following the torah, not for salvation, but for the sake of being distinctive and learning more hebrew culture? I'm thinking apostolics follow holiness standards to be distinctive and separate, how about following the torah for the same purpose? Does anyone see anything wrong with that?

is seeking the "old paths" referring to 1950's culture or hebrew torah culture?
It would be illegal and immoral to follow some of the Torah.
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It would be illegal and immoral to follow some of the Torah.
Come on Timmy we know you follow the Torah....
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we do have a new torah for the NT church, david bernard wrote a book called Practical Holiness,a second look.

this Book needs to be ripped up thrown into a trash can and set on fire..

Its the same type of implied standards that the pharasees did back in the day of Jesus,
God said i will put my Spirit in them and you will walk in my statutes and laws
exekiel 36:27

There is no hurt in looking at it from a hebrewish stand point, but one must realize the time it was given to them and why, how they applied it to themselves and the out come
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What are the arguments against following the torah, not for salvation, but for the sake of being distinctive and learning more hebrew culture? I'm thinking apostolics follow holiness standards to be distinctive and separate, how about following the torah for the same purpose? Does anyone see anything wrong with that?

is seeking the "old paths" referring to 1950's culture or hebrew torah culture?
If you want to follow the Torah for the purpose of learning about it, go for it

WHat verse says to seek the old paths?
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If you want to follow the Torah for the purpose of learning about it, go for it

WHat verse says to seek the old paths?
jer 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where [is] the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk [therein]. kjv

do you see anything wrong with a church keeping torah as their holiness message?
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