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Old 08-13-2008, 02:57 PM
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Thoughts on Todd Bentley and Lakeland

I received this today from Charisma online and thought I'd pass it on.


Life After Lakeland: Sorting Out the Confusion

By J. Lee Grady

Todd Bentley’s announcement that his marriage is ending has thrown our movement into a tailspin—and questions need to be answered.

It was not supposed to end like this.

Evangelist Todd Bentley had heralded the Lakeland revival as the greatest Pentecostal outpouring since Azusa Street. From his stage in a gigantic tent in Florida, Bentley preached to thousands, bringing many of them to the stage for prayer. Many claimed to be healed of deafness, blindness, heart problems, depression and dozens of other conditions in the Lakeland services, which ran for more than 100 consecutive nights. Bentley announced confidently that dozens of people had been raised from the dead during the revival.

But this week, a few days after the Canadian preacher announced the end of his visits to Lakeland, he told his staff that his marriage is ending. Without blaming the pace of the revival for Bentley’s personal problems, his board released a public statement saying that he and his wife, Shonnah, are separating. The news shocked Bentley’s adoring fans and saddened those who have questioned his credibility since the Lakeland movement erupted in early April.

I’m sad. I’m disappointed. And I’m angry. Here are few of my many, many questions about this fiasco:

Why did so many people flock to Lakeland from around the world to rally behind an evangelist who had serious credibility issues from the beginning?

To put it bluntly, we’re just plain gullible.

From the first week of the Lakeland revival, many discerning Christians raised questions about Bentley’s beliefs and practices. They felt uneasy when he said he talked to an angel in his hotel room. They sensed something amiss when he wore a T-shirt with a skeleton on it. They wondered why a man of God would cover himself with tattoos. They were horrified when they heard him describe how he tackled a man and knocked his tooth out during prayer.

But among those who jumped on the Lakeland bandwagon, discernment was discouraged. They were expected to swallow and follow. The message was clear: “This is God. Don’t question.” So before we could all say, “Sheeka Boomba” (as Bentley often prayed from his pulpit), many people went home, prayed for people and shoved them to the floor with reckless abandon, Bentley-style.

I blame this lack of discernment, partly, on raw zeal for God. We’re spiritual hungry—which can be a good thing. But sometimes, hungry people will eat anything.

Many of us would rather watch a noisy demonstration of miracles, signs and wonders than have a quiet Bible study. Yet we are faced today with the sad reality that our untempered zeal is a sign of immaturity. Our adolescent craving for the wild and crazy makes us do stupid things. It’s way past time for us to grow up.

Why didn’t anyone in Lakeland denounce the favorable comments Bentley made about William Branham?

This one baffles me. Branham embraced horrible deception near the end of his ministry, before he died in 1965. He claimed that he was the reincarnation of Elijah—and his strange doctrines are still embraced by a cultlike following today. When Bentley announced to the world that the same angel that ushered in the 1950s healing revival had come to Lakeland, the entire audience should have run for the exits.

Why didn’t anyone correct this error from the pulpit? Godly leaders are supposed to protect the sheep from heresy, not spoon feed deception to them. Only God knows how far this poison traveled from Lakeland to take root elsewhere. May God forgive us for allowing His Word to be so flippantly contaminated.

A prominent Pentecostal evangelist called me this week after Bentley’s news hit the fan. He said to me: “I’m now convinced that a large segment of the charismatic church will follow the anti-Christ when he shows up because they have no discernment.” Ouch. Hopefully we’ll learn our lesson this time and apply the necessary caution when an imposter shows up.

Why did God TV tell people that “any criticism of Todd Bentley is demonic”?

This ridiculous statement was actually made on one of God TV’s pre-shows. In fact, the network’s hosts also warned listeners that if they listened to criticism of Bentley, they could lose their healings.

This is cultic manipulation at its worst. The Bible tells us that the Bereans were noble believers because they studied the Scriptures daily “to see whether these things were so” (Acts 17:11, NASB). Yet in the case of Lakeland, honest intellectual inquiry was viewed as a sign of weakness. People were expected to jump first and then open their eyes.

Just because we believe in the power of the Holy Spirit does not mean we check our brains at the church door. We are commanded to test the spirits. Jesus wants us to love Him with our hearts and our minds.

Because of the Lakeland scandal, there may be large numbers of people who feel they’ve been burned by Bentley. Some may give up on church and join the growing ranks of bitter, disenfranchised Christians. Others may suffer total spiritual shipwreck. This could have been avoided if leaders had been more vocal about their objections and urged people to evaluate spiritual experiences through the filter of God’s Word.

Why did a group of respected ministers lay hands on Bentley on June 23 and publicly ordain him? Did they know of his personal problems?

This controversial ceremony was organized by Peter Wagner, who felt that one of Bentley’s greatest needs was proper spiritual covering. He asked California pastors Che Ahn and Bill Johnson, along with Canadian pastor John Arnott, to lay hands on Bentley and bring him under their care.

Bentley certainly needs such covering. No one in ministry today should be out on their own, living in isolation without checks, balances and wise counsel. It was commendable that Wagner reached out to Bentley and that Bentley acknowledged his need for spiritual fathers by agreeing to submit to the process. The question remains, however, whether it was wise to commend Bentley during a televised commissioning service that at times seemed more like a king’s coronation.

In hindsight, we can all see that it would have been better to take Bentley into a back room and talk about his personal issues.

The Bible tells us that ordination of a minister is a sober responsibility. Paul wrote: “Do not lay hands upon anyone too hastily and thereby share responsibility for the sins of others” (1 Tim. 5:22). We might be tempted to rush the process, but the apostle warned against fast-tracking ordination—and he said that those who commission a minister who is not ready for the job will bear some of the blame for his failures.

I trust that Wagner, Ahn, Johnson and Arnott didn’t know of Bentley’s problems before they ordained him. I am sure they are saddened by the events of this week and are reaching out to Bentley and his wife to promote healing and restoration. But I believe that they, along with Bentley and the owners of God TV, owe the body of Christ a forthright, public apology for thrusting Bentley’s ministry into the spotlight prematurely. (Perhaps such an apology should be aired on God TV.)

Can anything good come out of this?

That depends on how people respond. If the men assigned to oversee Bentley offer loving but firm correction, and if Bentley responds humbly to the process by stepping out of ministry for a season of rehabilitation, we could witness a healthy case of church discipline play out the way it is supposed to. If all those who were so eager to promote Bentley now rush just as fast to repent for their errors in judgment, then the rest of us could breathe a huge sigh of relief—and the credibility of our movement could be restored.

I still believe that God desires to visit our nation in supernatural power. I know He wants to heal multitudes, and I will continue praying for a healing revival to sweep across the United States. But we must contend for the genuine, not an imitation. True revival will be accompanied by brokenness, humility, reverence and repentance—not the arrogance, showmanship and empty hype that often was on display in Lakeland.

We are weathering an unprecedented season of moral failure and spiritual compromise in our nation today. I urge everyone in the charismatic world to pray for Bentley; his wife, Shonnah; his three young children; Bentley’s ministry staff; and the men and women who serve as his counselors and advisers. Let’s pray that God will turn this embarrassing debacle into an opportunity for miraculous restoration.

J. Lee Grady is editor of Charisma.
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Old 08-13-2008, 03:06 PM
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The goofiness I saw from this bozo blew my mind and 10 people would go here him much less the mulitudes of blind people who will follow anything but truth. God wasn't in any of the stupidness I saw. And some on here defend the BAM baptism and his silliness. Nothing but a religious freak show!
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The goofiness I saw from this bozo blew my mind and 10 people would go here him much less the mulitudes of blind people who will follow anything but truth. God wasn't in any of the stupidness I saw. And some on here defend the BAM baptism and his silliness. Nothing but a religious freak show!
So we agree on something.
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The goofiness I saw from this bozo blew my mind and 10 people would go here him much less the mulitudes of blind people who will follow anything but truth. God wasn't in any of the stupidness I saw. And some on here defend the BAM baptism and his silliness. Nothing but a religious freak show!

Brother Epley...TELL THE TRUTH! There was no "BAM" baptism and you know it!
It was 'Sheeka BOOM BAM!' Baptism .(Wasn't he an idiot? How could ANYONE be so stupid, or better yet, STOOPID?)

The really funny thing in the Charisma article was the fact that they brought down John Arnott from the Toronto Airport mess to lay hands on this guy and "Cover" him! (with WHAT???!!!!)

I can tell you what the problem with the charismatic movement is, in fact THEY can tell you what it is, the absence of solid Bible Doctrine and Moral Absolutes!

Last I heard though Mr Bentley is headed up to YOUR neck of the woods, Kentucky, so get out the word! Sheeka Boom Bam is coming YOUR way !

BAM!
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Brother Epley...TELL THE TRUTH! There was no "BAM" baptism and you know it!
It was 'Sheeka BOOM BAM!' Baptism .(Wasn't he an idiot? How could ANYONE be so stupid, or better yet, STOOPID?)

The really funny thing in the Charisma article was the fact that they brought down John Arnott from the Toronto Airport mess to lay hands on this guy and "Cover" him! (with WHAT???!!!!)

I can tell you what the problem with the charismatic movement is, in fact THEY can tell you what it is, the absence of solid Bible Doctrine and Moral Absolutes!

Last I heard though Mr Bentley is headed up to YOUR neck of the woods, Kentucky, so get out the word! Sheeka Boom Bam is coming YOUR way !

BAM!
How would you like it if the entire apostolic-pentecostal movement were to be summarized through the actions and ministry of someone who constantly berated people, who used cursewords in the pulpit, stumbled around pretending to be drunk in the spirit, calling people fags and stupid, and saying that because Wal-Mart sells jewlery, they are a tool of a pagan devil?

Nice.

Just disagree and leave it alone. You are not...and none of us are totally above contempt individually or collectively.


I would say this if you were hammering the preacher I mentioned above too....if you knew him by name of course, which you don't and it proves I am not supporting or making excuses or holding any individual in contempt!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=Carpenter;564630]How would you like it if the entire apostolic-pentecostal movement were to be summarized through the actions and ministry of someone who constantly berated people, who used cursewords in the pulpit, stumbled around pretending to be drunk in the spirit, calling people fags and stupid, and saying ,that because Wal-Mart sells jewlery, they are a tool of a pagan devil?

Nice.

Just disagree and leave it alone. You are not...and none of us are totally above contempt individually or collectively.




I would say this if you were hammering the preacher I mentioned above too....if you knew him by name of course, which you don't



MY Response

Sounds like D.C. Moody to me.... and that WOULD be dreadfull! Absolutely dreadful, but well deserved if the voices raised in objection to that kind of ........ were as silent as the voices which cautiously hemmed and hawed about wether this nonsense was of God until it was TOO bizarre to be "cute" anymore.

And no I am not without contempt, I think one of the wonderful attributes I picked up on the Apostolic Friends Forum last week was... what was it again? Oh, Yeah!..."Victim of Regurgitation" (And maybe from the aforementioned DCM one never knows anymore one never knows....) But you gotta love the Walmart tool of the devil deal! That sounds for all the world like DC Moody, am I close???? Did you ever hear his take on how God has shown him the "Spirit of Zen that not only controls the Chicago Bulls BASEBALL team, but also controls the way we DRIVE (!?!?!?!) No all these guys like that are loons Oneness or trinitarian, the comment about the weakness of the Charismatic movement being DIRECTLY attributable to THEM and Charisma Magazine in particular, and the John Arnott estimation? I make NO apology there! False as false can be. ALMOST as fruity as his wife "I MISS JESUS" Carol... (Said in prophesy as being the voice of the Holy Ghost explaining why he was crying....it had been almost 2,000 years since he had been sent down from heaven as Jesus was taken up, and he hadn't seen him for so LONG that it broke his heart!)

Sorry if you dont agree but this whole movement that eats this stuff up is nuts! Oneness Trinitarian, Binatarian, if you leave your spiritual discernment and Bible at the door you deserve EXACTLY what you get!

Or so says the "Victim of Regurgitation"
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How would you like it if the entire apostolic-pentecostal movement were to be summarized through the actions and ministry of someone who constantly berated people, who used cursewords in the pulpit, stumbled around pretending to be drunk in the spirit, calling people fags and stupid, and saying that because Wal-Mart sells jewlery, they are a tool of a pagan devil?

Nice.

Just disagree and leave it alone. You are not...and none of us are totally above contempt individually or collectively.


I would say this if you were hammering the preacher I mentioned above too....if you knew him by name of course, which you don't and it proves I am not supporting or making excuses or holding any individual in contempt!!!!!!!

Thank you Carp. I agree
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Just disagree and leave it alone.

Just a question here, should I run the rest of my responses on all the other threads by you first to kind of screen them,censor them and approve them, or , being an adult who just MAY have some feelings on certain topics that dont jive with yours, do I need some kind of Papal dispensation first to post them? Or should I just limit all future posts to "I disagree" and "Say no more"?

Is this a forum or what?
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How would you like it if the entire apostolic-pentecostal movement were to be summarized through the actions and ministry of someone who constantly berated people, who used cursewords in the pulpit, stumbled around pretending to be drunk in the spirit, calling people fags and stupid, and saying that because Wal-Mart sells jewlery, they are a tool of a pagan devil?

Nice.

Just disagree and leave it alone. You are not...and none of us are totally above contempt individually or collectively.


I would say this if you were hammering the preacher I mentioned above too....if you knew him by name of course, which you don't and it proves I am not supporting or making excuses or holding any individual in contempt!!!!!!!



However, I do believe that Walmart is a tool of a pagan devil.
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I agree with this article. Sad for a lot of people.
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