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12-11-2008, 04:48 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
Seems there is "strife between the herdmen" here.
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12-11-2008, 04:49 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Charnock
Prejudiced? Really? Did you really just liken pastors to racists?
Wow.
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SOME Pastors are. Yes. Some Saints are. You guys are all just upset because I don't believe in your self appointed god status. Thankfully you are a small breed of Pastors 
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-11-2008, 04:51 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Amos
Our hero likes to foment spiritual "class warfare."
"The Man" had had him down long enough, and he ain't gonna take it anymore!
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It's people like that that set up this "class" where their should be none.
Here is a good example. I attacked no Pastor. I pointed out what occurs amoung SOME pastors...yet that is deemed "Pastor bashing", but it's ok to bash non-pastors...why they aren't even fit to be a friend of a pastor.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-11-2008, 04:51 PM
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"One Mind...OneAccord"
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
Gen 13:8 And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdmen and thy herdmen; for we [be] brethren.
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"Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for Him...." -Psa. 37:7
Waiting for the Lord is easy... Waiting patiently? Not so much.
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12-11-2008, 04:52 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I didn't say any Pastor is rotten or a dirty sap, but there ARE some bad pastors just as there ARE some bad saints. I find the ones that are so defensive as to read insinuations into someone's post that bore none are the closest to falling to that type
Ah...a personal attack. You must be one of those evil pastors Charnock spoke of...
Gee...who are you? I mean really? You must be someone else under a different nick the way you post with such venomous pride and spite for anything NOT at your "rank"...which ironically is the REAL definition of arrogance....reminds me of another poster.....Actually it reminds me of a couple of other posters.
Your type believe themselves to be better than others. While the non Pastors are a touchable group the Pastors are untouchables....nearly god status.
You should take inventory some time before you talk about nasty attitudes and arrogance. You know that hypocrisy bug bites anyone, not just non-pastors but Pastors too
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Sir, you have made some huge leaps here with all your blathering about "untouchables" and such.
You haven't read anything I have written about that.
You, my friend, started the venom rolling with your hateful posts about pastors.
You have also made some incredibly judgmental statements here about "my type."
If you will notice, I spoke of what I read in your posts; you, on the other hand, responded by making assumptions and judgments about me.
Most of the folks around here are smart enough to see that.
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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12-11-2008, 04:52 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Charnock
There are good ones? Really?
Hey MOW, I have an idea. If you really want "the priesthood of all believers" I recommend you disperse your pastoral salary evenly amongst all the saints in your church.
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There ARE some good ones. Maybe you guys should hang around them some and it might rub off. 
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-11-2008, 04:54 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I didn't say any Pastor is rotten or a dirty sap, but there ARE some bad pastors just as there ARE some bad saints. I find the ones that are so defensive as to read insinuations into someone's post that bore none are the closest to falling to that type
Ah...a personal attack. You must be one of those evil pastors Charnock spoke of...
Gee...who are you? I mean really? You must be someone else under a different nick the way you post with such venomous pride and spite for anything NOT at your "rank"...which ironically is the REAL definition of arrogance....reminds me of another poster.....Actually it reminds me of a couple of other posters.
Your type believe themselves to be better than others. While the non Pastors are a touchable group the Pastors are untouchables....nearly god status.
You should take inventory some time before you talk about nasty attitudes and arrogance. You know that hypocrisy bug bites anyone, not just non-pastors but Pastors too
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Dude you may want to step away from the computer, go for a walk and come back. You speak as one wounded, not as one enlightened.
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12-11-2008, 04:55 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Anyone can be 100% approachable and still have a private life. But hopefully most of us are not prejudiced against certain members of the body that we divide the body into inferior/superior classes and only choose friends out of the better....if the distinction here was race or color of skin we'd be talking racism
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Prax, it usually is a defense mechanism, and having grown up in a pastor's home, I can tell you there are often good reasons for a man to feel protective of himself and his family. Hopefully that culture is changing.
As for the dividing of classes into "inferior/superior"--I think it's more likely a "trustworthy/untrustworthy" division, and again, with good reason in many cases.
I like the ideal of pastors (and their families) being on friendly, congenial terms with the congregants. However, in practicality, close friendships aren't always possible, especially within the church culture as it exists now, where even finding out that your pastor's kid watched a movie can be information used as leverage at some point.
Personally, I would like to feel free to pick up hitchhikers and take them to wherever they need to go. I always think they look cold and tired and feel compelled to stop and offer a lift. But truthfully, it would be a bad decision--not because they're all bad people, or because I don't think they're "worthy" of a pick-up, or even because I think they're somehow inferior, but simply because I don't want to put my life or the lives of my passengers at risk because of a "few bad men."
Not that I'm comparing saints to hitchhikers. 
I'm just saying that it's a trust issue, NOT (usually) a holier/better-than-thou issue.
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12-11-2008, 04:55 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
It's people like that that set up this "class" where their should be none.
Here is a good example. I attacked no Pastor. I pointed out what occurs amoung SOME pastors...yet that is deemed "Pastor bashing", but it's ok to bash non-pastors...why they aren't even fit to be a friend of a pastor.
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Kindly point out where I have once bashed saints, or said they weren't fit to be my friend.
Ironically enough, I just got off the phone with a saint asking me if he could come out to the house and go horseback riding with me, as he has a day off on Saturday.
I told him of course he could...
You are making huge assumptions here, and levying all kinds of insults toward me as a person... and you know what they say about that...
I discussed your posts--you attacked me, and said I must be one of those evil pastors.
I thought personal attacks were off limits, Mr. Admin, Sir.
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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12-11-2008, 05:02 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
SOME Pastors are. Yes. Some Saints are. You guys are all just upset because I don't believe in your self appointed god status. Thankfully you are a small breed of Pastors |
Self appointed god status?
Oh dear...he is still making unfounded personal attacks.
Some (other) kind admin please stop the insanity!
We have an abusive situation here!
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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