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12-11-2008, 04:26 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Amos
I am not a big fan of a lot of counseling. It rarely helps much, and creating a reliance on it keeps people spiritually immature.
Obviously there are exceptions, such as crises and emergencies, but I generally ask people if they have spent signifigant time praying about their dilemma before I am going to spend much time talking to them about it. If they haven't, I tell them to spend some time praying and fasting, and get back with me if they are still stuck...
Most of the time that does the trick.
After several years of that modus operandi, I don't get a whole lot of requests for counseling sessions.
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That's pretty much the way I roll, as well.
I don't do "counseling."
I pray with people, point out Biblical principles for living, instruct, correct, rebuke and restore. But I do not counsel.
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12-11-2008, 04:26 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Be friendly and approachable but not their buddy.
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Why? If we are going to be biblical, let's have the scriptures on that.
The bible says WE, meaning all the church, are a kingdom of Priests. Maybe if some of the ministry starts treating and training the saints in that respect we would have less issues.
Where are the Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists and Teachers? Why is the only real recognizable position a Pastor?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-11-2008, 04:27 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
I believe a pastor can be 100% approachable, and still have a private life.
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I'm (sic) not cynical, I just haven't been around long enough to be Jedi mind-tricked by politics as usual. Alas, maybe in a few years I'll be beaten back into the herd. tstew
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12-11-2008, 04:28 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Why? If we are going to be biblical, let's have the scriptures on that.
The bible says WE, meaning all the church, are a kingdom of Priests. Maybe if some of the ministry starts treating and training the saints in that respect we would have less issues.
Where are the Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists and Teachers? Why is the only real recognizable position a Pastor?
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Speak for yourself.
I know men fulfilling the other roles in the five fold ministry.
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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12-11-2008, 04:28 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
Hey...if a non pastor gets burned by a non pastor should he then stop associating with non pastors? Since many of the Pastors shun him because he is beneath them that person is gonna be without fellowship.
I've heard pastors say "Your Pastor should be your best friend" and then turn around and essentially say "But you won't even be my friend let alone a best friend"...what a contradiction. What Hypocrisy
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-11-2008, 04:29 PM
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"One Mind...OneAccord"
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
Well, since I'm not a pastor some may think my opinion is about simple as an opinion can get. But, how close should a pastor get to his members? I'd say about as close as a shepherd is to his sheep. And I think the Bible teaches that a shepherd gets as close to his sheep as he can get! Good posting Sir MOW!
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12-11-2008, 04:32 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Amos
Speak for yourself.
I know men fulfilling the other roles in the five fold ministry.
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I usually DO speak for myself...did you some how read "Amos" in my reply?
BTW those men fulfilling those roles...are they paid a salary while NOT also being the Pastor of a church? Do they get to go on nice expensive cruises once a year? Do they carry the title "Apostle" or "Prophet" or "Teacher"...
See I know men, and women, fulfilling some of those roles too but they are unknowns. They don't have trumpets anouncing their arrival as "Prophet so and so"...they get paid nothing for praying night and day for their Pastor, church and lost souls. They teach sunday school and bible studies and are unknowns. They bring more new souls into church than the Pastor ever did. And......they are somehow beneath "The Pastor" that the Pastor and that person can't be friends.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-11-2008, 04:33 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
I guess I don't understand why you all would want to hang around us "evil" pastors anyway.... 
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I'm (sic) not cynical, I just haven't been around long enough to be Jedi mind-tricked by politics as usual. Alas, maybe in a few years I'll be beaten back into the herd. tstew
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12-11-2008, 04:33 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Hey...if a non pastor gets burned by a non pastor should he then stop associating with non pastors? Since many of the Pastors shun him because he is beneath them that person is gonna be without fellowship.
I've heard pastors say "Your Pastor should be your best friend" and then turn around and essentially say "But you won't even be my friend let alone a best friend"...what a contradiction. What Hypocrisy
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Yeah, those rotten pastors...hypocrites.
Dirty saps.
Prax, your posts reflect some of the nastiest attitudes on a consistent basis that I run into on this forum.
Your posts often come across as insufferably arrogant and know-it-all.
Just thought I would mention that. 
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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12-11-2008, 04:34 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Charnock
I believe a pastor can be 100% approachable, and still have a private life.
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Anyone can be 100% approachable and still have a private life. But hopefully most of us are not prejudiced against certain members of the body that we divide the body into inferior/superior classes and only choose friends out of the better....if the distinction here was race or color of skin we'd be talking racism
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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