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12-11-2008, 04:34 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by OneAccord
Well, since I'm not a pastor some may think my opinion is about simple as an opinion can get. But, how close should a pastor get to his members? I'd say about as close as a shepherd is to his sheep. And I think the Bible teaches that a shepherd gets as close to his sheep as he can get! Good posting Sir MOW!
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Excellent point - - "my sheep KNOW my voice"!
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12-11-2008, 04:35 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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I usually DO speak for myself...did you some how read "Amos" in my reply?
BTW those men fulfilling those roles...are they paid a salary while NOT also being the Pastor of a church? Do they get to go on nice expensive cruises once a year? Do they carry the title "Apostle" or "Prophet" or "Teacher"...
See I know men, and women, fulfilling some of those roles too but they are unknowns. They don't have trumpets anouncing their arrival as "Prophet so and so"...they get paid nothing for praying night and day for their Pastor, church and lost souls. They teach sunday school and bible studies and are unknowns. They bring more new souls into church than the Pastor ever did. And......they are somehow beneath "The Pastor" that the Pastor and that person can't be friends.
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Yet another example of the nasty arrogance often found in a Prax post.
What's up with the cruise deal? Never been on one myself.
This communistic "haves vs. the have nots" thing is unbecoming and petty.
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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12-11-2008, 04:37 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I usually DO speak for myself...did you some how read "Amos" in my reply?
BTW those men fulfilling those roles...are they paid a salary while NOT also being the Pastor of a church? Do they get to go on nice expensive cruises once a year? Do they carry the title "Apostle" or "Prophet" or "Teacher"...
See I know men, and women, fulfilling some of those roles too but they are unknowns. They don't have trumpets anouncing their arrival as "Prophet so and so"...they get paid nothing for praying night and day for their Pastor, church and lost souls. They teach sunday school and bible studies and are unknowns. They bring more new souls into church than the Pastor ever did. And......they are somehow beneath "The Pastor" that the Pastor and that person can't be friends.
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Wow, what a river of vitriol!
Dude, many, many pastors don't receive a dime for their calling.
You are way out of line on this one.
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12-11-2008, 04:39 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Anyone can be 100% approachable and still have a private life. But hopefully most of us are not prejudiced against certain members of the body that we divide the body into inferior/superior classes and only choose friends out of the better....if the distinction here was race or color of skin we'd be talking racism
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Prejudiced? Really? Did you really just liken pastors to racists?
Wow.
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I'm (sic) not cynical, I just haven't been around long enough to be Jedi mind-tricked by politics as usual. Alas, maybe in a few years I'll be beaten back into the herd. tstew
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12-11-2008, 04:39 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Charnock
Wow, what a river of vitriol!
Dude, many, many pastors don't receive a dime for their calling.
You are way out of line on this one.
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Our hero likes to foment spiritual "class warfare."
"The Man" had had him down long enough, and he ain't gonna take it anymore!
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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12-11-2008, 04:41 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is an example of pastor bashing from one of our own esteemed admins here at AFF.
One reason why it isn't as much fun as it used to be.
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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12-11-2008, 04:42 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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I guess I don't understand why you all would want to hang around us "evil" pastors anyway....  |
We don't want to hang around the evil pastors, just the good ones
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-11-2008, 04:42 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Amos
Our hero likes to foment spiritual "class warfare."
"The Man" had had him down long enough, and he ain't gonna take it anymore!
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I suppose.
Sadly, he is woefully misinformed.
I am in a section that has 14 pastors. Not ONE of them is full-time. We all work secular jobs AND give everything we can to God's work.
I think the man has been watching too much TBN. 
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I'm (sic) not cynical, I just haven't been around long enough to be Jedi mind-tricked by politics as usual. Alas, maybe in a few years I'll be beaten back into the herd. tstew
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12-11-2008, 04:46 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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I guess I don't understand why you all would want to hang around us "evil" pastors anyway.... |
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
We don't want to hang around the evil pastors, just the good ones
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There are good ones? Really?
Hey MOW, I have an idea. If you really want "the priesthood of all believers" I recommend you disperse your pastoral salary evenly amongst all the saints in your church.
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I'm (sic) not cynical, I just haven't been around long enough to be Jedi mind-tricked by politics as usual. Alas, maybe in a few years I'll be beaten back into the herd. tstew
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12-11-2008, 04:48 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Amos
Yeah, those rotten pastors...hypocrites.
Dirty saps.
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I didn't say any Pastor is rotten or a dirty sap, but there ARE some bad pastors just as there ARE some bad saints. I find the ones that are so defensive as to read insinuations into someone's post that bore none are the closest to falling to that type
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Prax, your posts reflect some of the nastiest attitudes on a consistent basis that I run into on this forum.
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Ah...a personal attack. You must be one of those evil pastors Charnock spoke of...
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Your posts often come across as insufferably arrogant and know-it-all.
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Gee...who are you? I mean really? You must be someone else under a different nick the way you post with such venomous pride and spite for anything NOT at your "rank"...which ironically is the REAL definition of arrogance....reminds me of another poster.....Actually it reminds me of a couple of other posters.
Your type believe themselves to be better than others. While the non Pastors are a touchable group the Pastors are untouchables....nearly god status.
You should take inventory some time before you talk about nasty attitudes and arrogance. You know that hypocrisy bug bites anyone, not just non-pastors but Pastors too
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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