The Spirit Realm

[Esaias]

Modern 'quantum physics' is nothing but a modern repackaging of the ancient lie of Hinduism (and it's offshoot Buddhism), which denies the substantial reality of, well, reality.

"It's all an illusion." They call it 'maya', and 'sangsara'.

And they too believe that with proper training and conditioning, with proper 'knowledge', one can use the power of thinking (mind) to manipulate and control the maya/sangsara, just like in the movie 'the Matrix'. Or just like in any lucid dream. Because Hinduism and Buddhism teaches that everything is indeed a dream, a dream in the mind of the Great Cosmic Intelligence everyone calls 'God'. Life is simply pursuing, whether knowingly or unknowingly, the knowledge of this Great Cosmic Intelligence ('God'). In fact, our actions and life pursuits are part of the Great Dreaming of God.

Now, if you follow this line of thinking, eventually you will come to a turning point, a fork in the road, and will come face to face with a very particular bit of enlightening understanding and awareness. Namely, that the Great Dreamer is... YOU.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The spirit world has often been regarded as being compared to a magical or mystical plane of existence. However, quantum physics has proven that everything is nothing but energy, even material objects. Small electrical charges comprising atoms form molecules that are either arranged densely (solid/material), loosely (liquid), or almost not at all (gas). Thus, everything is energy. Even thought flows on electrical currents through the brain and can be measured. On the subatomic scale the most basic forms of energy are particles (which comprise atoms) and waves (potential energy that travels through space or mass). I believe that "spirit" is "living energy" (unable to be measured as of yet) that flows through the web of all other energy fields in our reality. Thus, the "spirit realm" is all around us and permeates all things. Now, energy is interesting. Given vibrational attunement, entire realities might exist in the same special location. Thus "heaven" and even "hell" might also be imperceptibly present and all around us on what we call this physical plane. Perceiving these realities is a matter of consciousness. The brain is capable of entering various states and in these states it can glimpse or perceive through "feeling" what is transpiring in these realities. Thus one can sense evil spirits, angels, human spirits (ghosts), etc.. Since everything is energy and thought travels along electrical impulses in the brain, the question is, when one "dies" where does this energy go? Matter/energy never ceases to exist, it merely changes. Thus the possibility of consciousness traveling along disincarnate energy fields is theoretically possible. While science can't prove it, quantum physics has laid out a foundation of understanding that allows the idea to be scientifically possible.

Science has proven that energy is indeed affected by consciousness at the quantum level. For example particles and waves behave differently when observed than when not observed on the quantum level. Thus, everything is malleable given proper levels of consciousness or focus. Indeed, it is theoretically possible to actually will a mountain to move... and it be cast into the sea. It is possible to heal damaged tissue. It is theoretically possible to multiply loaves and fishes. And yes, it is theoretically possible to walk on water or even regenerate the dead. Reality is truly very much like the Matrix. Innumerable codes of energy patterns coalescing to form the very computer in front of you or even the cell phone in your hand. Science is only starting to scratch the surface of this reality and traditional fields of science, especially physics, are wary of these concepts. In essence, science is scratching the surface of what ancient religions and spirituality has known all along regarding faith, visualization, miracles, and even life after death.

Theories involving quantum physics actually blows the lid off of what was previously thought as being impossible. For example, it is indeed possible to affect energy with one's consciousness. Therefore, it is theoretically possible to also manipulate energy fields and even store them in space or various forms of matter. Thus quantum mechanics opens the door to explain the latent and potential energy found in prayer cloths, sacred locations, relics, and even the bones of a prophet (such as seen with Elisha).

So, the spirit realm and the power therein is indeed all around us. And indeed, we too are a part of that realm, though we exist in a particle dense physical reality. Experiencing this reality is truly about faith (which involves allowing focus and visualization to alter one's consciousness). As a man thinks, so is he. All things are indeed possible for those who "believe". Faith truly is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

In a way, quantum physics is only beginning to catch up to the advanced realities of religious faith and the spiritual realm that is all round us.

Where does the blood of Jesus apply to this? Where does heaven and hell fit into this picture? Whether or not science s sometimes right; it still is much of the time anti-christ. Science in a nutshell teaches us that we are gods and that we don't need a savior. Salvation does not come through a quantum physics equation, but through the God who became flesh and died for our sins.

[good samaritan]

The only power that thought has is how it motivates me to live. I don't believe our faith does anything separate from reaching God to move on our behalf and that is why many are not healed. There are many with obvious faith who don't receive because it is not the will of God.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Modern 'quantum physics' is nothing but a modern repackaging of the ancient lie of Hinduism (and it's offshoot Buddhism), which denies the substantial reality of, well, reality.

the alternative seems to be to believe what your eyes see, and believe that we see clearly, and not darkly.

Originally Posted by Esaias

"It's all an illusion." They call it 'maya', and 'sangsara'.

And they too believe that with proper training and conditioning, with proper 'knowledge', one can use the power of thinking (mind) to manipulate and control the maya/sangsara, just like in the movie 'the Matrix'. Or just like in any lucid dream. Because Hinduism and Buddhism teaches that everything is indeed a dream, a dream in the mind of the Great Cosmic Intelligence everyone calls 'God'. Life is simply pursuing, whether knowingly or unknowingly, the knowledge of this Great Cosmic Intelligence ('God'). In fact, our actions and life pursuits are part of the Great Dreaming of God.

Now, if you follow this line of thinking, eventually you will come to a turning point, a fork in the road, and will come face to face with a very particular bit of enlightening understanding and awareness. Namely, that the Great Dreamer is... YOU.

...and calleth those things which be not as though they were. Perhaps dream is not the best word here, but it is close, and while physics surely isn't the best model, any deficiencies will eventually be ruled out on the evidence, don't you think?

Einstein's theories were widely ridiculed at first, by physicists; but it can be argued that Einstein has given us a larger understanding of God.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Where does the blood of Jesus apply to this? Where does heaven and hell fit into this picture? Whether or not science s sometimes right; it still is much of the time anti-christ. Science in a nutshell teaches us that we are gods and that we don't need a savior. Salvation does not come through a quantum physics equation, but through the God who became flesh and died for our sins.

yet many physicists come to know God on some level because of the metaphysical nature of their studies, despite their attempts to keep it physical. I agree with you here, Christ's sacrifice is not the main subject, however that doesn't mean one cannot get there from here. Actually i think it means that any antichrist thinking will not persist in physics, regardless of any temporary theories.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

This is pure Hinduism. I should know, I grew up practically immersed in this stuff.

I agree, there are some similarities with Hindu thought on the topic. But there are also similarities with what the Bible says. The fact is, quantum physics is quantum physics.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Modern 'quantum physics' is nothing but a modern repackaging of the ancient lie of Hinduism (and it's offshoot Buddhism), which denies the substantial reality of, well, reality.

"It's all an illusion." They call it 'maya', and 'sangsara'.

And they too believe that with proper training and conditioning, with proper 'knowledge', one can use the power of thinking (mind) to manipulate and control the maya/sangsara, just like in the movie 'the Matrix'. Or just like in any lucid dream. Because Hinduism and Buddhism teaches that everything is indeed a dream, a dream in the mind of the Great Cosmic Intelligence everyone calls 'God'. Life is simply pursuing, whether knowingly or unknowingly, the knowledge of this Great Cosmic Intelligence ('God'). In fact, our actions and life pursuits are part of the Great Dreaming of God.

Now, if you follow this line of thinking, eventually you will come to a turning point, a fork in the road, and will come face to face with a very particular bit of enlightening understanding and awareness. Namely, that the Great Dreamer is... YOU.

So, you don't believe that faith moves mountains?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Where does the blood of Jesus apply to this? Where does heaven and hell fit into this picture? Whether or not science s sometimes right; it still is much of the time anti-christ. Science in a nutshell teaches us that we are gods and that we don't need a savior. Salvation does not come through a quantum physics equation, but through the God who became flesh and died for our sins.

I agree. This isn't about salvation. This is only discussing the fabric of reality seeing that the topic is, "The Spiritual Realm". Rather one clings to Newtonian concepts or embraces the discoveries of modern quantum physics, one still must be born again of the water and of the Spirit if they wish to be saved.

Essentially, Jesus said that with faith, we can move mountains and have them cast into the sea. Quantum physics is simply discovering the mechanics that makes faith capable of moving mountains. Understanding the probability units of energy helps to explain why Elisha's bones raised the dead after a dead man was thrown on top of them, or why Jesus felt "virtue" (power) depart from Him when the woman with an issue of blood touched the hem of his garment. It explains why aprons worn by Paul were imbued with power to heal the sick and drive out demons. The point is, some say that all these things are fanciful mythology, magic, or are "impossible". Quantum physics is an entire field of science that answers, "Wait. Actually, it is possible to move mountains by faith. And probability unites of energy can be stored within the atomic structure of a thing at the quantum level to be released upon conscious desire."

It isn't about salvation, it is simply the "how and why" (the science) behind faith and how it works. It proves that indeed the universe as we know it is structured to reward faith, if one has that gift, and with it bring the miraculous. It isn't "magic" or the wishing for a "cosmic Santa Claus" to do something for you.

We truly have the power to move mountains by faith. And the Spirit can unlock that faith. Don't believe me? Did not Paul and Silas pray and an earthquake rock the prison they were in? Friend, their prayer, their faith, their conscious focus on God in praise and worship.... shifted the entire Arabian and African continental plates, thereby causing an earthquake. Their prayer rattled the tectonic system of the Middle East. If that isn't moving mountains, I don't know what is.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

The only power that thought has is how it motivates me to live. I don't believe our faith does anything separate from reaching God to move on our behalf and that is why many are not healed. There are many with obvious faith who don't receive because it is not the will of God.

What if you believed?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by shazeep

the alternative seems to be to believe what your eyes see, and believe that we see clearly, and not darkly.
...and calleth those things which be not as though they were. Perhaps dream is not the best word here, but it is close, and while physics surely isn't the best model, any deficiencies will eventually be ruled out on the evidence, don't you think?

Einstein's theories were widely ridiculed at first, by physicists; but it can be argued that Einstein has given us a larger understanding of God.