The Spirit Realm

[KeptByTheWord]

I guess Happy a.k.a Bert isn't so happy now that he has been banned. LOL.

[Monterrey]

Did he get banned......... again?

Man, that guy must deserve an award or something, as many times as he has been kicked off this forum!

[Aquila]

The spirit world has often been regarded as being compared to a magical or mystical plane of existence. However, quantum physics has proven that everything is nothing but energy, even material objects. Small electrical charges comprising atoms form molecules that are either arranged densely (solid/material), loosely (liquid), or almost not at all (gas). Thus, everything is energy. Even thought flows on electrical currents through the brain and can be measured. On the subatomic scale the most basic forms of energy are particles (which comprise atoms) and waves (potential energy that travels through space or mass). I believe that "spirit" is "living energy" (unable to be measured as of yet) that flows through the web of all other energy fields in our reality. Thus, the "spirit realm" is all around us and permeates all things. Now, energy is interesting. Given vibrational attunement, entire realities might exist in the same special location. Thus "heaven" and even "hell" might also be imperceptibly present and all around us on what we call this physical plane. Perceiving these realities is a matter of consciousness. The brain is capable of entering various states and in these states it can glimpse or perceive through "feeling" what is transpiring in these realities. Thus one can sense evil spirits, angels, human spirits (ghosts), etc.. Since everything is energy and thought travels along electrical impulses in the brain, the question is, when one "dies" where does this energy go? Matter/energy never ceases to exist, it merely changes. Thus the possibility of consciousness traveling along disincarnate energy fields is theoretically possible. While science can't prove it, quantum physics has laid out a foundation of understanding that allows the idea to be scientifically possible.

Science has proven that energy is indeed affected by consciousness at the quantum level. For example particles and waves behave differently when observed than when not observed on the quantum level. Thus, everything is malleable given proper levels of consciousness or focus. Indeed, it is theoretically possible to actually will a mountain to move... and it be cast into the sea. It is possible to heal damaged tissue. It is theoretically possible to multiply loaves and fishes. And yes, it is theoretically possible to walk on water or even regenerate the dead. Reality is truly very much like the Matrix. Innumerable codes of energy patterns coalescing to form the very computer in front of you or even the cell phone in your hand. Science is only starting to scratch the surface of this reality and traditional fields of science, especially physics, are wary of these concepts. In essence, science is scratching the surface of what ancient religions and spirituality has known all along regarding faith, visualization, miracles, and even life after death.

Theories involving quantum physics actually blows the lid off of what was previously thought as being impossible. For example, it is indeed possible to affect energy with one's consciousness. Therefore, it is theoretically possible to also manipulate energy fields and even store them in space or various forms of matter. Thus quantum mechanics opens the door to explain the latent and potential energy found in prayer cloths, sacred locations, relics, and even the bones of a prophet (such as seen with Elisha).

So, the spirit realm and the power therein is indeed all around us. And indeed, we too are a part of that realm, though we exist in a particle dense physical reality. Experiencing this reality is truly about faith (which involves allowing focus and visualization to alter one's consciousness). As a man thinks, so is he. All things are indeed possible for those who "believe". Faith truly is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

In a way, quantum physics is only beginning to catch up to the advanced realities of religious faith and the spiritual realm that is all round us.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The spirit world has often been regarded as being compared to a magical or mystical plane of existence. However, quantum physics has proven that everything is nothing but energy, even material objects. Small electrical charges comprising atoms form molecules that are either arranged densely (solid/material), loosely (liquid), or almost not at all (gas). Thus, everything is energy. Even thought flows on electrical currents through the brain and can be measured. On the subatomic scale the most basic forms of energy are particles (which comprise atoms) and waves (potential energy that travels through space or mass). I believe that "spirit" is "living energy" (unable to be measured as of yet) that flows through the web of all other energy fields in our reality. Thus, the "spirit realm" is all around us and permeates all things. Now, energy is interesting. Given vibrational attunement, entire realities might exist in the same special location. Thus "heaven" and even "hell" might also be imperceptibly present and all around us on what we call this physical plane. Perceiving these realities is a matter of consciousness. The brain is capable of entering various states and in these states it can glimpse or perceive through "feeling" what is transpiring in these realities. Thus one can sense evil spirits, angels, human spirits (ghosts), etc.. Since everything is energy and thought travels along electrical impulses in the brain, the question is, when one "dies" where does this energy go? Matter/energy never ceases to exist, it merely changes. Thus the possibility of consciousness traveling along disincarnate energy fields is theoretically possible. While science can't prove it, quantum physics has laid out a foundation of understanding that allows the idea to be scientifically possible.

Science has proven that energy is indeed affected by consciousness at the quantum level. For example particles and waves behave differently when observed than when not observed on the quantum level. Thus, everything is malleable given proper levels of consciousness or focus. Indeed, it is theoretically possible to actually will a mountain to move... and it be cast into the sea. It is possible to heal damaged tissue. It is theoretically possible to multiply loaves and fishes. And yes, it is theoretically possible to walk on water or even regenerate the dead. Reality is truly very much like the Matrix. Innumerable codes of energy patterns coalescing to form the very computer in front of you or even the cell phone in your hand. Science is only starting to scratch the surface of this reality and traditional fields of science, especially physics, are wary of these concepts. In essence, science is scratching the surface of what ancient religions and spirituality has known all along regarding faith, visualization, miracles, and even life after death.

Theories involving quantum physics actually blows the lid off of what was previously thought as being impossible. For example, it is indeed possible to affect energy with one's consciousness. Therefore, it is theoretically possible to also manipulate energy fields and even store them in space or various forms of matter. Thus quantum mechanics opens the door to explain the latent and potential energy found in prayer cloths, sacred locations, relics, and even the bones of a prophet (such as seen with Elisha).

So, the spirit realm and the power therein is indeed all around us. And indeed, we too are a part of that realm, though we exist in a particle dense physical reality. Experiencing this reality is truly about faith (which involves allowing focus and visualization to alter one's consciousness). As a man thinks, so is he. All things are indeed possible for those who "believe". Faith truly is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

In a way, quantum physics is only beginning to catch up to the advanced realities of religious faith and the spiritual realm that is all round us.

Hate to disagree again, lol. But good discussion anyway.

Energy is part of the natural world. The very meaning of the terms spiritual and natural show a distinct difference between ANYTHING in nature as standing in segregation from the spirit realm. I see no natural ENERGY at all in the spiritual realm. God's Life is not natural energy. SUPERnature is the root of supernatural. Above the natural. And Energy is limited to the lower natural realm, not supernature.

In any level of quantum physics there is that is yet to be realized or reached, all of it is still natural and therefore not of the spiritual realm at all. Not that's it's mystical, etc. It's just supernature.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Hate to disagree again, lol. But good discussion anyway.

Energy is part of the natural world. The very meaning of the terms spiritual and natural show a distinct difference between ANYTHING in nature as standing in segregation from the spirit realm. I see no natural ENERGY at all in the spiritual realm. God's Life is not natural energy. SUPERnature is the root of supernatural. Above the natural. And Energy is limited to the lower natural realm, not supernature.

In any level of quantum physics there is that is yet to be realized or reached, all of it is still natural and therefore not of the spiritual realm at all. Not that's it's mystical, etc. It's just supernature.

The separation is the illusion. Did you know what when "tongue talkers" speak in tongues, brain scans show that the frontal lobe becomes inactive, proving they are not doing the talking? In this we see a measurable interaction between that which is "natural" and that which is "spiritual".

Here's a couple interesting questions.

What was it in Elisha's bones that raised a dead man to life upon merely touching them?

2 Kings 13:21
And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.

What was it that had "gone out" of Christ when the woman with an issue of blood touched Him?

Luke 8:46
And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me.

What were the disciples to receive upon receiving the Holy Spirit?

Luke 24:49
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

What resides in prayer cloths that provides them power to heal sickness and send demons to flight on behalf of those applying them and receiving them?

Acts 19:11-12
11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

Oh, the reality of "virtue" and "power". We have become so accustomed to seeing the Bible as a children's story filled with magic instead of partaking in and understanding the principles of Spirit.

[Aquila]

Here's an interesting article:

http://www.wordofgodtoday.com/quantum-physics-faith/

[Aquila]

Here's a very interesting website. I'll copy a few things that I believe hold some relevance to this conversation:

http://www.godsaidmansaid.com/topic3...44&ItemId=1288

Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D., a stem cell biologist who taught at the University of Wisconsin’s School of Medicine, performed pioneering studies at Stanford University, and authored and co-authored numerous books, made some telling statements in his book The Biology of Belief. We’ve lifted the following excerpts for your perusal:

Excerpt #1: No there has not been a printing mistake; atoms are made out of invisible energy not tangible matter!

So in our world, material substance (matter) appears out of thin air. Kind of weird, when you think about it. Here you are holding this physical book in your hands. Yet if you were to focus on the book’s material substance with an atomic microscope, you would see that you are holding nothing.

Excerpt #2: Fortunately, leaders in the field, such as Johns Hopkins University physicist Richard Conn Henry, are addressing the misperceptions about the perceived primacy of the material world. Henry offered an elegantly simple definition on the true nature of the Universe, "The Universe is immaterial—mental and spiritual. Live, and enjoy." (Henry 2005)

Excerpt #3: The reality of a quantum universe reconnects what Descartes took apart. Yes, the mind (energy) arises from the physical body, just as Descartes thought. However, our new understanding of the universe’s mechanics shows us how the physical body can be affected by the immaterial mind. Thoughts, the mind’s energy, directly influence how the physical brain controls the body’s physiology. Thought "energy" can activate or inhibit the cell’s function-producing proteins via the mechanics or constructive and destructive interference, described in the previous chapter.

Excerpt #4: The fact is that harnessing the power of your mind can be more effective than the drugs you have been programmed to believe you need. The research I discussed in the last chapter found that energy is a more efficient means of affecting matter than chemicals.

Excerpt #5 : The brain’s function is to coordinate the dialogue of signal molecules within the community. Consequently, in a community of cells, each must acquiesce control to the informed decisions of its awareness authority, the brain. The brain controls the behavior of the body’s cells. [End of quote]

Finally, Dr. Lipton writes, "Biological behavior can be controlled by invisible forces including thought."

What then are Dr. Lipton and others saying?

(1.) Atoms appear out of thin air;

(2.) The universe is not material. It is mental and spiritual;

(3.) Thoughts (silent words) can activate or inhibit the cell’s function-producing proteins;

(4.) Harnessing the power of your mind (words) can be more effective than drugs;

(5.) Each of your 50 trillion-plus cells must acquiesce control to the brain; and

(6.) Biological behavior can be controlled by invisible forces including thought or words.

What is perplexing to so many scientists is fully explained in the Bible. All things have been spoken into existence out of that which is invisible by God’s only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Science, employing the most sophisticated atomic microscopes, concludes that the universe is immaterial. It is mental and spiritual. Science, welcome aboard.

Indeed. Science, welcome aboard.

[Aquila]

Here is a very interesting video on the Double Slit Experiment that helped pave the way for quantum mechanics....

[Aquila]

In Luke we read:

Luke 8:43-46 (KJV)
43 And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any,
44 Came behind him, and touched the border of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched.
45 And Jesus said, Who touched me? When all denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?
46 And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me.

The ESV renders it as follows:

Luke 8:43-46 (ESV)
43 And there was a woman who had had a discharge of blood for twelve years, and though she had spent all her living on physicians, she could not be healed by anyone. 44 She came up behind him and touched the fringe of his garment, and immediately her discharge of blood ceased. 45 And Jesus said, “Who was it that touched me?” When all denied it, Peter said, “Master, the crowds surround you and are pressing in on you!” 46 But Jesus said, “Someone touched me, for I perceive that power has gone out from me.”

The Greek word used here is, "dunamis". It means:

1411 // dunamiv // dunamis // doo'-nam-is //
from 1410 ; TDNT - 2:284,186; n f
AV - power 77, mighty work 11, strength 7, miracle 7, might 4,
virtue 3, mighty 2, misc 9; 120
1) strength power, ability
1a) inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its
nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth
1b) power for performing miracles
1c) moral power and excellence of soul
1d) the power and influence which belong to riches and wealth
1e) power and resources arising from numbers
1f) power consisting in or resting upon armies, forces, hosts

Inherent power. Energy. This "virtue" was the same "power" or "energy" that was still residing in Elisha's bones when a dead man was raised to life by merely touching them. It is the same "power" or "energy" that is imparted to believers who are filled with the Spirit. It is also the same residual "power" or "energy" that was left on the handkerchiefs or aprons that were brought from Paul's body that healed the sick and delivered the demonized.

Brother Blume.... I'm not trying to demystify the mechanics of faith and the power of God. I'm only trying to help us understand that this isn't pie in the sky "magic" or "wishing".... there is truly an entire world of invisible energy existing in a state of probability woven throughout the very fabric of the universe and that the "material reality" you perceive.... it isn't a static material reality. This reality that most call "natural" is merely an illusion. All things are merely invisible probability units fashioned into particles that are held in place by the very will of God. If God were to be able to be distracted for a single one nano-second.... everything would immediately fade into non-existence, matter would revert to mere energy probability units awaiting to be made particles or waves.

The universe is essentially like the Holodeck in Star Trek.... with God at the controls.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Brother Blume.... I'm not trying to demystify the mechanics of faith and the power of God. I'm only trying to help us understand that this isn't pie in the sky "magic" or "wishing".... there is truly an entire world of invisible energy existing in a state of probability woven throughout the very fabric of the universe and that the "material reality" you perceive.... it isn't a static material reality. This reality that most call "natural" is merely an illusion. All things are merely invisible probability units fashioned into particles that are held in place by the very will of God. If God were to be able to be distracted for a single one nano-second.... everything would immediately fade into non-existence, matter would revert to mere energy probability units awaiting to be made particles or waves.

The universe is essentially like the Holodeck in Star Trek.... with God at the controls.

This is pure Hinduism. I should know, I grew up practically immersed in this stuff.