Romans 5 teaches we inherit sin natue. Augustine never wrote Romans 5.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
He was indeed! He was told he'd die the day he ate, and then told he would return to the dust.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
It is not a matter of taking peter's word for it or not, but what Peter actually said.
Peter was saying that whether a prophecy is fulfilled one day after it is uttered or one thousand years afterwards, it makes no difference as to the potential for it to come to pass. As far as surety to be fulfilled, one thousand years' fulfillment is as easy to perform as one day for fulfillment.
This one-day=-1,000-years thing has to die. lol, speaking of death.
Peter spoke about the veracity of God's promises based upon whether or not they can stand the test of time. Peter said that it is ridiculous to doubt the Lord's coming on the basis that the duration of time since the promise was given has been so long that "our fathers fell asleep". Peter explained that God's promises are not weakened as time passes before they are fulfilled. God is able to ensure that a promise is kept whether a day passes for the fulfillment or one thousand years. The amount of time that has elapsed since God made a promise does not affect the possibility of that promise coming to pass one iota.
The reason some of His promises have not been fulfilled after so long a time since they were pronounced is due to the fact that God is longsuffering. This is particularly referring to judgment. And God's word concerning coming judgment is not weakened because of decades having elapsed since it was first foretold. God was simply giving the people all the chances in the world they might need, in order to repent. He does not want anyone to perish. He does not rejoice in judging people in wrath. It's not as though He is hasty to hurt.
But this passage in no way is telling us that God's calendar looks at one day as we would regard one thousand years. It is contrasting long periods of time with short periods of time -- one thousand years as opposed to a day -- and is saying that the assurance of the promise being fulfilled is the same whether one day has passed or one thousand years has passed. This is not saying God sees one thousand years as one day.
We could read it like this: "The surety of a promise being fulfilled over one day or one thousand years is the same, when it comes to God making the promise." With God, we have no worries. With God, a promise that He means to fulfill in one day is the same in quality of the assurance of fulfillment as a promise He ordained to bring to pass in one thousand years.
Men might be unable to fulfill a promise after a few hundred years pass by, of course. But when we are dealing with God, there is no need to despair. With God, fulfilling a promise over one thousand years is just as easy as fulfilling one over one day's duration. That is what Peter is actually saying.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Cannot see how speaking of being dead in trespasses and sins is not spiritual death. It certainly is not physical.
True, it certainly isn't physical. It is speaking of people with pulses, yes. But does he really mean that their spirit has died? It doesn't say that. It just says "we were dead".
Did Adam's spirit die the day he ate? Really? He was from then on a walking, talking, breathing, spiritless human being?
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who is the wicked verses the rightous luke? whats the difference? concerning babies?
? So babies are wicked when born? Yet God made them upright? PICK! I have direct context of nature. You have verses dealing with enviromental conditions of a curse that says nothing about "nature."
? So babies are wicked when born? Yet God made them upright? PICK! I have direct context of nature. You have verses dealing with enviromental conditions of a curse that says nothing about "nature."
no i was tring to get a responce from you.
There is no difference in any baby. both the the children of the wicked and the children of the rightous will grow up and sin, because of there nature.
That is what i am saying. a baby is blameless but its nature will cause it to sin. Even in a rightous house hold, that child will eventually sin.
infact mankind cant stop it, that is Why Christ Came, To be a sacrifice a stand in for our sins.
Even babies that grow up in God fearing Homes today at some point in time will rebel and appease their flesh.
So a baby is innocent but because of its(ours) Sinful nature that baby will eventually will grow and commit sin.
Isn't it strange how Apostolics who appear to believe in supernatural principles always regress into logic and the denial of spiritual truths.
You are a human being. You have a body (soma, physical self), soul (psuche, mental self), and spirit (living essence, self). The body is fallen, it has sinful desires. It's the flesh. The soul is used to pleasing the flesh, and thus develops a carnal mind. The spirit is doomed to death, alienation from God, due to Adam's sin.
Upon being born again, the human spirit is united with the Holy Spirit and is then made alive. The soul is renewed through the study of the Word and edifying fellowship. The body will be regenerated, glorified, upon resurrection.
To gain deeper understandings of the sin nature and it's effect, the regeneration of the Spirit, and our sinful nature vs. the fallen nature... read Romans 5-8.
That any one, Apostolic or not, would fall back to LOGIC is refreshing. God gave us a brain and an intellect and the ability to learn
If God created everything then He created logic
I find it odd that someone who attempts rationalization to prove his pet theory "The Trinity", would dismiss logic or critical rational thinking when it does not suit him
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
LOL research you mean like search early Christianity that did not believe in REformed doctrine. I have all to well researched it.
and no they didnt know what sin was until they ate the fruit, then they possed the knowledge of good and evil.
"GOOD" and EVIL not just evil and that has nothing to do with the view of having a "sin" nature which is one sided. Try again!
And of course "seeking" knowledge as a device and ignoring God Word as truth of you will die was not a issue as well. As usual the whole is missed for you small scope view.
uh and this helps your argument? They had natural abilities already as part of thei constitution. lol
uh you really need to study REformed doctrine and get it right first if you are going to use those terms. to many issues and not enough time. Get back in a bit.
It's possible they did have a sin nature but were innocent until they yielded to temptation.
However I don't believe that they were created with a sin nature. Wouldn't that mean they were created corrupted?
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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