Are Infants Really Born Sinless?

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by mfblume

1,000 years is not a day in God's time. That is a misinterpretation of Peter's words.

peter wasnt a theologian, he was a fisherman, ill take his word for it

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by acerrak

God is full of Justice, and he is Full of mercy.

How could he show is mercy if he Killed them as soon as there teeth sank into it? and what death is spiritual? He stated you will die. he didnt say you will die a spiritual death .


Man thats a harold camping.

Yea God came in may 21, but it was a spiritual judgment. so he went from having a ressurection to a spiritual jusgment.

I heard a great sermon on this once. The preacher used 7 atributes of God or something like that.

and when into scripture to show these atributes and how God dealt with this.

it was very good

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by mfblume

God said the day he ate the forbidden fruit he would die. He physically lived another 900 years. And, no, that is not something that "a day with the lord is as a thousand years" explains. lol

Come to think of it, is "spiritual death" even a biblical concept? Where is it discussed? I can't find any mention of it, or anything like it.

As for Adam, we are told that God said he would die the day he ate, and we are told when Adam died, hundreds of years later. No qualification of which type of death occurred when. No mention of more than one type of death.

[Austin]

Spiritual death is nothing more than spiritually separated from the fellowship with the spirit of the Lord. It is not death in the sense of non-existence. The spirit of man is not dead. If fact the power of God's existence is what sustains life of living being in the flesh.
Adam and Eve were given the GIFT of eternal life by God's grace and personal will long before the event of the partaking of the fruit. As a penalty of their actions and because now they knew right from wrong by the law of God in their hearts they now faced condemnation on a daily basis.
But what happened to the original debate on infants and sin on this post?

[Sandra79]

Dunno if this has been said but what about in psalm 51 I was shapen in inquity and in sin did my mother concieve me. I believe we are innocent when we enter the world but not sinless. Its just like a new babe in the church... When they came into the church they didnt know any better.wh when they sinned but yet they still sinned.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Come to think of it, is "spiritual death" even a biblical concept? Where is it discussed? I can't find any mention of it, or anything like it.

As for Adam, we are told that God said he would die the day he ate, and we are told when Adam died, hundreds of years later. No qualification of which type of death occurred when. No mention of more than one type of death.

He died the day he sinned and died again 900 years later. Eph. 2 says we were dead in trespasses and sins. Sounds like spiritual death to me.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by acerrak

peter wasnt a theologian, he was a fisherman, ill take his word for it

It is not a matter of taking peter's word for it or not, but what Peter actually said.

Peter was saying that whether a prophecy is fulfilled one day after it is uttered or one thousand years afterwards, it makes no difference as to the potential for it to come to pass. As far as surety to be fulfilled, one thousand years' fulfillment is as easy to perform as one day for fulfillment.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sandra79

Dunno if this has been said but what about in psalm 51 I was shapen in inquity and in sin did my mother concieve me. I believe we are innocent when we enter the world but not sinless. Its just like a new babe in the church... When they came into the church they didnt know any better.wh when they sinned but yet they still sinned.

That verse does not say "I was born with sin"

"Sin" is what someone does by disobeying God.

It's impossible to be innocent but not sinless

Jesus was innocent
Mat 27:4 saying, "I have sinned by betraying innocent blood." They said, "What is that to us? See to it yourself."

It means "free from guilt"...Jesus was sinless

[SRM]

Originally Posted by mfblume

He died the day he sinned and died again 900 years later. Eph. 2 says we were dead in trespasses and sins. Sounds like spiritual death to me.

Adam was not told He would die twice :P

[Austin]

And you has he quickened who were dead in trespasses, and sins.

Wherein in time past you walked according to thew course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience.
Among who also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were,[ by nature] the children of wrath, even as others.

But God who is rich in mercy, for his great love, wherewith he loved us,
Even when,[ we were dead in sins] hath [ quickened us together with Christ.]

Ephesians 2: 1-5. Also Colossians 2:13.

I don't like being toyed with by someone who professes to be a christian on this forum, and yet whats to dangle those of us who know the scripture for the sake of their own personal amusement.

This sort of behavior makes me suspicious that such a person is either an atheists or a person who has a knowledge in the bible but don't believe the bible, or, is totally out of fellowship with the Holy Ghost, if they were ever a part of the spirit of God.

Any person who is born again knows that before they surrendered their life to Jesus they had to first realize they were lost without the life of God's spirit in them. But once they made that personal surrender and the Lord Jesus came into the soul of their being they know by that power they were changed and a new desire took place of the old one.

If anyone has not had that change I would suggest they need to to take attention in the matter.

As for this subject I'm not going to allow my intelligence to be challenged by ignorance, I have no more to say in this matter, the bible speaks for it's self and I still in the old fashion way, believe it is God's written word to guide us in this world so we don't get off track by the opinion and philosophy of people.

Paul said. It is concluded that all are under sin.