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Old 07-25-2007, 07:00 AM
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Sinless Saint, Does That Exist

I recieved a letter from someone yesterday who I highly respect for their years in minstry. In this letter they claim they are "an open book and have NO sin in their life", is that possible? What do you say to a person who believes there is no sin in their life?

1 John 1: 8-10 King James Version
8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1 John 1: 8-10 New International Version
8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

Am I missing something here or is it impossible for man not to sin???:diggin
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Old 07-25-2007, 07:16 AM
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I recieved a letter from someone yesterday who I highly respect for their years in minstry. In this letter they claim they are "an open book and have NO sin in their life", is that possible? What do you say to a person who believes there is no sin in their life?

1 John 1: 8-10 King James Version
8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1 John 1: 8-10 New International Version
8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

Am I missing something here or is it impossible for man not to sin???:diggin
They sinned when they told that lie.
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Old 07-25-2007, 07:31 AM
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Old 07-25-2007, 07:37 AM
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Nope. It doesn't.
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Old 07-25-2007, 07:40 AM
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I disagree. I have seen several sinless saints.
















But not nearly as many as NLYP has !
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I recieved a letter from someone yesterday who I highly respect for their years in minstry. In this letter they claim they are "an open book and have NO sin in their life", is that possible? What do you say to a person who believes there is no sin in their life?

1 John 1: 8-10 King James Version
8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1 John 1: 8-10 New International Version
8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

Am I missing something here or is it impossible for man not to sin???:diggin
This is a great question, and I look forward to reading everyone's thoughts. I have no idea how I feel and I put the following scripture here ONLY for the idea of stirring conversation and because while I've always thought we all sin daily, I wonder what this scripture means.

1John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him; and he cannot sin because he is born of God.
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This is a great question, and I look forward to reading everyone's thoughts. I have no idea how I feel and I put the following scripture here ONLY for the idea of stirring conversation and because while I've always thought we all sin daily, I wonder what this scripture means.

1John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him; and he cannot sin because he is born of God.
It's theoretically possible to live an overcoming life. We must die daily and walk in the spirit. It's pretty tough to do with all the opportunities to cuss in traffic and lust after the pretty girls indulging in deviant lifestyles on all those TV shows we watch. But seriously, most of us, me included among the guilty, spend most of our time with one eye on God and one eye on the world. It isn't until we have both eyes on God that we have a chance of living blameless and sinless.

At one point in history, the answer took the form of monasteries and convents.
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At one point in history, the answer took the form of monasteries and convents.
Until they began to lust after one another instead...


No such thing as a sinless life, outside of the life of Jesus Christ.

It's a goal. Something to shoot for. Paul talked about it numerous times... pressing forward... moving on... reaching higher... running the race...
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I would like to present a thought for your consideration...

1Jo 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
1Jo 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1Jo 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jo 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

The scripture does indeed say "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us". There are several things that make me think that this quote is speaking of any of us saying that we have never walked in sin (the rich young ruler comes to mind) and here are some reasons why I feel that way.

The scripture goes on to say "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleans us from all unrighteousness"

How are we cleansed from ALL unrighteousness if we go right back into unrighteousness (which sin is... correct?).

In the next chapter the thought continues...

1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

These very things were written unto them that they sin not. If he were not talking about our original pre salvation state then he would be completely contradicting himself here. First he says that if you say you don't sin then you are a liar and then he says I am writing this to you so you won't sin.


1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

And, above, we see once again where he goes on to say that if we say we know him and yet don't keep his commandments then the truth is not in us.

I see "keeping his commandments" as tantamount to refraining from sin.

Of course, thankfully... as we are all human... the scripture also lets us know that if we do sin we have an advocate with the father but the scriptures taken in context with its surrounding scriptures seems to say something different than to say that a Holy Ghost filled Christian cannot mature to the point that he doesn't sin.

Nor does it necessarily say that we will ever mature to the place that we don't sin... but it appears to me that these verses may be seen clearer when compared to the wider context they are presented in.

Do I sin now? Oh I would imagine I do.

Am I, as a person, without sin? By no means... I was, as a matter of fact, born in sin and shapen in iniquity. I walked the way of the flesh until I was filled with the power to read of Him and learn a better way.

My success level is known only by God but, per His word, I strive for the goal of being able to say I no longer walk therein.

I was born there.. I walked there... I walk imperfectly now I am positive...but my eye continues to be on the prize.
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