Original Sin

[mfblume]

This needs to be discussed. Unless a person changes the text of the KJV, original sin cannot be denied. What think all of you?

[mfblume]

Romans 5 says that one man's disobedience made many into sinners. That is essentially the doctrine of original sin in a nutshell directly from the bible.

Rom 5:18-19 KJV Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. (19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.


Because Christ's righteousness is given to us all, then by the same token Adam's sin was given to us all.

[mfblume]

1Co 15:21-22 KJV For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. (22) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

[shazeep]

don't get me wrong; original sin exists. i have no problem with that. but when it was made into a doctrine, "Original Sin"--incidentally, over the objections of many, splitting a Council, and the Est'd church at the time apart--it became, i am convinced, our downfall.

[shazeep]

see that "original sin" is not just some handy doctrine to explain why we need Grace--that part is fine
http://www.wikihow.com/Recognize-the...ristian-Models

[shazeep]

and, an erudite woman--Hanne Nabintu Herland? witnessing the fruit...
http://rt.com/shows/worlds-apart-oksana-boyko/
(wow, those identifying with the church in Russia up like 100% since the 90s, who knew)
(200 million Chinese Christians!)

[phareztamar]

Originally Posted by mfblume

This needs to be discussed. Unless a person changes the text of the KJV, original sin cannot be denied. What think all of you?

I agree. We are born with the law of sin in our members.

[shazeep]

yes, i am seeing more clearly now that is proceeding from this, as a starting point, that is the problem.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mfblume

This needs to be discussed. Unless a person changes the text of the KJV, original sin cannot be denied. What think all of you?

I suppose it depends on what you mean by original sin.

Sin nor a tendency to sin was passed down to us from Adam. However, as we are all sons of Adam we all take part in his curse, natural death. That curse is upon us whether we sin or do not sin. I mean even Jesus died.

Romans 5:12 "...so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

There is no other verse that will back this thought up: Adam sinning did not make us sin. Therefore I conclude the best reading of Romans 5:19 is that one man's disobedience made us as sinners before God and likewise one man's rightouesness made us as righteous before God. What I have posted here is the clear teaching throughout romans, that we are not righteous but that we are counted as righteous because of Christ's righteousness.

[Sean]

It seems to me that we have inherited our father Adams' sin nature.

But when we are born again, we are given a new nature from our new Father to help us overcome our old nature of sin......

2 Pet 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.