Other upci splits

THX4GRACE · #1 07-23-2010, 02:24 PM

Can anyone confirm the various splits withing the UPC and basic reasons for them? I'm reading some varying dates and reasons for some of the splits.

1945 PCI and PAJC Merged to form UPC

1948 Some former PAJC members pulled away from UPC over race issues
1955 Former PAJC members legally re-chartered PAJC
1968 Members split over UPC being too liberal and formed AMF
1990s Members split over Westberg Resolution
2008 Members split over TV

Sam · #2 07-23-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by THX4GRACE

Can anyone confirm the various splits withing the UPC and basic reasons for them? I'm reading some varying dates and reasons for some of the splits.
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1968 Members split over UPC being too liberal and formed AMF
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There may have been more there than just standards.
One issue was ministers ruling over other ministers, like district presbyters having authority over other ministers. From what I understand, another reason was because MB was not elected Gen. Supt. so he and a bunch left to form their own org. If this is not true maybe someone with more knowledge of the situation can correct me.

commonsense · #3 07-23-2010, 06:55 PM

I wouldn't label everthing as a split. Sometimes it's a joint decision to better serve both parties.

The oneness apostolic movement in my hometown dates to about 1920.

My grandmother was witnessed to by a neighbor in 1929 and she and her children began attending and in 1930 my dad was baptized and received the Holy Ghost.

In the mid to late 40's the black members of the congregation left to begin their own group and joined the PAW. To the best of my understanding it was not a "split".

There was a split in 1953 or 54. Since I was quite small I'm not a good source but as I recall from my mother ....the pastor was out of town alot preaching, often for his brother. The congregation was not happy about it.
At this time another minister came to town with a winning personality. He had a TV program (yes, mid 50's) and managed to attract a large portion of the UPC group. At least 1/2 left and joined this independent work...pastor was trinity.
After a couple years several of these returned to the "fold".

While I was in Bible School there was another smaller "split".

Since we're dealing with people, there will always be differences of opinion.

commonsense · #4 07-23-2010, 07:02 PM

Living in several cities and states I've seen other "splits".

Some occurred before we attended the local assembly; but we experienced the aftermath.

We were eyewitnesses to a couple "splits".

In 1989 the local split involved other issues but standards were in the background.

Bowas · #5 07-23-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

There may have been more there than just standards.
One issue was ministers ruling over other ministers, like district presbyters having authority over other ministers. From what I understand, another reason was because MB was not elected Gen. Supt. so he and a bunch left to form their own org. If this is not true maybe someone with more knowledge of the situation can correct me.

Wow! I didn't know our own Mike Blume was even a consideration. What one learns on forums.

jagwinn · #6 07-25-2010, 05:47 PM

An early Oneness congregation split occured in 2Timothy:

2Ti 4:10 For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.

And, again, another split:

Act 15:36 ¶ And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, [and see] how they do.
Act 15:37 And Barnabas determined to take with them John, whose surname was Mark.
Act 15:38 But Paul thought not good to take him with them, who departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work.
Act 15:39 And the contention was so sharp between them, that they departed asunder one from the other: and so Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus;
Act 15:40 And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God.
Act 15:41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, confirming the churches.

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elle · #7 07-26-2010, 04:00 PM

The UPCI is going through major changes as we speak they may be good or bad they are people. As people of the Lord we must have compassion on our brothers and our sisters of like faith. Support the good. The UPCI is not the only Apostolic organization we must remember. When there are splits for real there is always politics and feelings involved. I have been privileged to visit some of the split off churches over the standards TV in particular was the straw, and also some of the UPCI churches. I have felt the spirit of the Lord in most all these places. I have seen bad attitudes in both places and good people in both. It is time to drop the facades and get to the business of winning the lost. A house divided will not stand these are the words of our Lord. I love my UPCI brothers and sisters and i love those who are not affiliated. Currently i am UPCI but in the future i will not be. first let us not be hypocrits and become judgmental of each other let us love one another. God spoke through john when he penned: Beloved let us love one another for love is of God and he that loveth is born of God and knows God He that loveth not loveth not God for God is love Beloved let us love one another. 1 Jhn 4:7-8

pastorrush · #8 07-27-2010, 08:54 AM

I am with you Elle, I am a license minister in the upci but we must remember it is a organzation and as such there at times will be differinces amoung us but all of us must endeavor to strive for unity in the bond of peace. As a Pastor I use Apostolic ministers from various organizations And even my father- in- law is a Indapendant also preaches at our church.We need to love one another .

Sam · #9 07-27-2010, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by pastorrush

I am with you Elle, I am a license minister in the upci but we must remember it is a organzation and as such there at times will be differinces amoung us but all of us must endeavor to strive for unity in the bond of peace. As a Pastor I use Apostolic ministers from various organizations And even my father- in- law is a Indapendant also preaches at our church.We need to love one another .

by this shall all men know that ye are my disciples.....

Falla39 · #10 07-28-2010, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by pastorrush

I am with you Elle, I am a license minister in the upci but we must remember it is a organzation and as such there at times will be differinces amoung us but all of us must endeavor to strive for unity in the bond of peace. As a Pastor I use Apostolic ministers from various organizations And even my father- in- law is a Indapendant also preaches at our church.We need to love one another .

What a refreshing post!

The only true way to love each other effectively is with/by the love of God shed abroad in our
hearts by the HOLY GHOST! If we don't love our brother or sister who we have seen, how
can we say we love God, who we have not seen. If we don't have LOVE, friend, how can we have
GOD, for love is of GOD. GOD IS LOVE!

Falla39