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Old 03-26-2009, 11:03 AM
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Ron Paul Supporters Are Now Possible Terrorists

‘Fusion center’ data draws fire over assertions
Politics, banners seen as suspect.
By T.J. Greaney
Saturday, March 14, 2009


Tim Neal of Miller County was shocked recently when he heard a radio program about a strategic report compiled by state and federal law enforcement agencies to combat terrorism.

Titled “The Modern Militia Movement,” the report is dated Feb. 20 and designed to help police identify militia members or domestic terrorists. Red flags outlined in the document include political bumper stickers such as those for U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, talk of conspiracy theories such as the plan for a mega-highway from Canada to Mexico and possession of subversive literature.

But when Neal read the report, he couldn’t help but think it described him. A military veteran and a delegate to the 2008 Missouri Republican state convention, he didn’t appreciate being lumped in with groups like the Neo-Nazis.

“I was going down the list and thinking, ‘Check, that’s me,’ ” he said. “I’m a Ron Paul supporter, check. I talk about the North American union, check. I’ve got the ‘America: Freedom to Fascism’ video loaned out to somebody right now. So that means I’m a domestic terrorist? Because I’ve got a video about the Federal Reserve?”

Blogs and Web sites frequented by people interested in civil liberties issues have been overloaded in recent days with comments from angry readers who view the document as a precursor to an American KGB spying on U.S. citizens.

“The government is out of control, we are just trying to survive,” wrote one poster who identified himself as John Adams.

But state law enforcement officials said the report is being misinterpreted. Lt. John Hotz of the Missouri State Highway Patrol said the report was compiled by the Missouri Information Analysis Center based in Jefferson City and comes purely from publically available, trend data on militias.

Hotz said MIAC, which opened in 2005, is a “fusion center” that combines resources from the federal Department of Homeland Security and other agencies. It was set up to collect local intelligence to better combat terrorism and other criminal activity, he said.

“All this is an educational thing,” Hotz said of the report. “Troopers have been shot by members of groups, so it’s our job to let law enforcement officers know what the trends are in the modern militia movement.”

The report’s most controversial passage states that militia “most commonly associate with third-party political groups” and support presidential candidates such as Ron Paul, former Constitutional Party candidate Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr, the Libertarian candidate last year.

Hotz said using those or similar factors to determine whether someone could be a terrorist is not profiling. He said people who display signs or bumper stickers from such groups are not in danger of harassment from police.

“It’s giving the makeup of militia members and their political beliefs,” Hotz said of the report. “It’s not saying that everybody who supports these candidates is involved in a militia. It’s not even saying that all militias are bad.”

Not everybody agrees. At a “Tea Party” to protest wasteful government spending Thursday in Flat Branch Park, several people displaying the Revolutionary War-replica “Don’t Tread On Me” flag were upset to learn the MIAC report lists the banner as a “militia symbol.”

“That’s insane,” said Doug Wendt looking at the MIAC document. “That is not a militia symbol. That is American history. This is historic. The only animosity” American colonists “ever directed with this was towards England.”

Roger Webb, president of the University of Missouri campus Libertarians, also took offense. “It’s absolutely obscene,” he said of the report. “It seems like they want to stifle political thought. There are a lot of third parties out there, and none of them express any violence. In fact, if you join the Libertarian Party, one of the things you sign in your membership application is that you don’t support violence as a means to any ends.”

Neal, who has a Ron Paul bumper sticker on his car, said the next time he is pulled over by a police officer, he won’t know whether it’s because he was speeding or because of his political views.

“If a police officer is pulling me over with my family in the car and he sees a bumper sticker on my vehicle that has been specifically identified as one that an extremist would have in their vehicle, the guy is probably going to be pretty apprehensive and not thinking in a rational manner,” Neal said. “And this guy’s walking up to my vehicle with a gun.”
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Old 03-26-2009, 11:37 AM
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Re: Ron Paul Supporters Are Now Possible Terrorist

We now have a government run by the "Blame America First" crowd.

We know these folks consider an American Militia member to be no different than an Islamic suicide bomber.

There is no check on them and there is no limit to thier desire to push for their own power.

We live in a time where many Americans already think this economy is worse than the Great Depression (it isnt by a long shot) and they are willing to abdicate freedom and their own responsibility to the government to make life easy on themselves.

Combine that with the fact that a couple of thug criminals were members of Militias and a government willing to exploit that to gain more power and a willing accomplis in the media willing to carry water for the government and we have a real live mess on our hands.

I just got put on a watch list and i dont support Ron Paul and I am not a member of a militia.

I wonder if any around here need a chaplin?
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Old 03-26-2009, 12:12 PM
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What's new? Most of us have known that many of his supporters were of that mindset! Why do they get upset when it comes out publically?
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What's new? Most of us have known that many of his supporters were of that mindset! Why do they get upset when it comes out publically?
Assuming you are speaking the truth of your own heart and not TIC...

That statement makes you part of the reason this lunacy can be practiced and that America is going down in flames.
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What's new? Most of us have known that many of his supporters were of that mindset! Why do they get upset when it comes out publically?
Wow! Really? You're not at all upset by the fact that a group of people that support one of the very few rational voices speaking out in defense of the principles of the Constitution has been labeled as possible terrorists? Defending the Constitution is equivalent to terrorism? Really?
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Old 03-26-2009, 12:23 PM
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Assuming you are speaking the truth of your own heart and not TIC...

That statement makes you part of the reason this lunacy can be practiced and that America is going down in flames.
Ah, you know me.

I am speaking mostly in truth here. We know the direction the country is going. It is obvious that things are deteriorating quickly. Yet many of his supporters don't realize that it would be better to fly below the radar. They continue to make rash statements and go about it wrong.

I am not part of the lunacy, I see it and you see it. The question is: Why don't the Paul supporters see it?
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Ah, you know me.

I am speaking mostly in truth here. We know the direction the country is going. It is obvious that things are deteriorating quickly. Yet many of his supporters don't realize that it would be better to fly below the radar. They continue to make rash statements and go about it wrong.

I am not part of the lunacy, I see it and you see it. The question is: Why don't the Paul supporters see it?
On the average Ron Paul Supporters speak the constitution.

But... it is true... the constitution is a banned document these days.
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Ah, you know me.

I am speaking mostly in truth here. We know the direction the country is going. It is obvious that things are deteriorating quickly. Yet many of his supporters don't realize that it would be better to fly below the radar. They continue to make rash statements and go about it wrong.

I am not part of the lunacy, I see it and you see it. The question is: Why don't the Paul supporters see it?
Ok... perhaps I spoke too soon. But...

I am a Paul supporter. But "fly under the radar?" What does that mean? The unconstitutional and horribly invasive and antagonistic Patriot Act has allowed the government to give itself totalitarian authority to spy on its own citizens and essentially strip away our rights to free speech, free assembly, free expression, etc... not to mention privacy. Are Paul supporters thus forced into "cloak and dagger" type meetings in after hours "speak easy" places?
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Wow! Really? You're not at all upset by the fact that a group of people that support one of the very few rational voices speaking out in defense of the principles of the Constitution has been labeled as possible terrorists? Defending the Constitution is equivalent to terrorism? Really?
Do you really think you can turn this thing around? Friend, it is headed south quick.

My problem is that they know that the feds are going to follow that procedure. They have been doing it for years. SOP. There are other ways to do it. Ron Paul has to understand that he will not win the pres. I agree with many of his policies and stands, yet we are in the minority. There are other ways to be prepared than to open yourself up for the scrutiny of the feds. If you know that is what they are looking for, then change it. That change will not change your stance, it just removes the scrutiny.
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Ok... perhaps I spoke too soon. But...

I am a Paul supporter. But "fly under the radar?" What does that mean? The unconstitutional and horribly invasive and antagonistic Patriot Act has allowed the government to give itself totalitarian authority to spy on its own citizens and essentially strip away our rights to free speech, free assembly, free expression, etc... not to mention privacy. Are Paul supporters thus forced into "cloak and dagger" type meetings in after hours "speak easy" places?
So by placing bumper stickers on your car helps how? We MUST understand that this is not going to change the course they have set. Oblama has set us on a crash course for destruction. Can you spell fiasco? How do they survive in other totalitarian govs? Maybe we need to take some pointers.
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