Question For My Oneness Friends...

[AbundantGrace]

Read this passage of scripture carefully and think about what you're reading.

Rev 5:1 - 7:Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, "Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?" But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. Then one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals." Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. He came and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.
NIV

A couple of questions. First of all, who is the Lamb? He's Jesus... I believe we can all agree on that, right?

But notice, it says that He (the Lamb, Jesus) came and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. Now who is it that's sitting on the throne that Jesus, the Lamb is taking the scroll from?

Just wondering what your answers may be...

[AbundantGrace]

Anyone still here???

[BarbieGirl]

If you're not Apostolic.....why did you join this forum? To try and change us????? Not changin'.

[AbundantGrace]

Originally Posted by BarbieGirl

If you're not Apostolic.....why did you join this forum? To try and change us????? Not changin'.

Great answer!!! That's about as sharp as a bowling ball!

[StMark]

That whole thing whole thing is picture of humanity and deity
NOT deity and deity because if you notice in verse 6 the lamb is dead.

God doesn't have a right hand- It means "power"

Right hand doesn't mean he's sitting in a certain position
it means power.

[AbundantGrace]

Originally Posted by StMark

That whole thing whole thing is picture of humanity and deity
NOT deity and deity because if you notice in verse 6 the lamb is dead.

God doesn't have a right hand- It means "power"

Right hand doesn't mean he's sitting in a certain position
it means power.

If the Lamb is dead, why does verse 7 plainly state that He came over and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne? If He was dead, he'd have trouble coming over. Also, the Bible tells us that there is no DEATH in Heaven. Do you think that He walked over dead and took the scroll from Himself?

Also, I was always taught that God doesn't have a right hand as well in the UPC.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by AbundantGrace

If the Lamb is dead, why does verse 7 plainly state that He came over and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne? If He was dead, he'd have trouble coming over. Also, the Bible tells us that there is no DEATH in Heaven. Do you think that He walked over dead and took the scroll from Himself?

Also, I was always taught that God doesn't have a right hand as well in the UPC. HOGWASH!!!

It's a picture of calvary( he was slain on the cross) "slain"

you can't have 2 gods there because one is slain

the picture here is the completion of the sonship- he came and died and now he's all and all - see Eph 5:27 says that he might present the church to himself (the work of calvary did that).

[Steve Epley]

The picture here in Rev. 5 John sees Jesus as which was and which is and which is to come. John is seeing Jesus as NOT on the Judge but the mediator
the vision is Calvary seen the Lamb as it had been slain. The wonderful plan of redemption the Judge became our attorney.

[StMark]

He was seeing the past, present and the future REV 1:19

[StMark]

The lion represents Deity and the lamb represents humanity

Verses 11-14 shows you that the one that is sitting on the throne
is jesus