The Mind of Christ

[Dedicated Mind]

Did Jesus have to live by faith?

We know He, as a child, grew in "grace and wisdom" and knew the scriptures by the age of 12.

He knew who He was. Plenty of times He said, "I am He"; "I am the bread come down from heaven."

He understood His mission to die on the cross.

He told His disciples if He spoke to them of spiritual things, how would they understand? So He had otherworldly knowledge.

He said, "before Abraham was, I Am."

Did Christ learn this from the scriptures by faith or did He have intimate knowledge from His preexistence?

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As a human being, aside from His deity, HE HAD TO LIVE BY FAITH. And he learned it, just as he learned obedience.

Hebrews 5:8 KJV Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by mfblume

As a human being, aside from His deity, HE HAD TO LIVE BY FAITH. And he learned it, just as he learned obedience.

Hebrews 5:8 KJV Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

If He had to "learn", then He was not omniscient. He didn't know the day or the hour of His return.

Did He have knowledge from His preexistence?

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His humanity was not omniscient. Just His deity.

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

unless you say His flesh learned, yet He knew all things in His spirit.

That is basically what I said in my latest post. His flesh is his humanity.

[SDG]

This thread is why we accept His Deity by faith .... Trinnies and OPs .... need not fuss ... you'll never have all figured out.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by mfblume

His humanity was not omniscient. Just His deity.

What was the connection between the two? For example, when He said that even the Son of Man did not know the time of His Own return, could the diety side sort of "flash" the thought, "September 16, 2012!" (or whatever!) And then the humanity side would say, "Oh, now I know..."

I know that sounds trite, but from a mechanistic standpoint - how was He both God and man without the "God" part spilling out all the time onto the "man" part?

I've often wondered this. He limited Himself in many ways as a man. Did those limitations finally reach a breaking point on the cross when He cried out "Why hast Thou forsaken Me?"

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God is all-powerful and can do things men cannot do. He can manifest in flesh with human nature and not allow his own human nature know certain things. Like Dan said, we can only take it by faith when we think of His Deity. And there is a certain logic of faith. This logic of faith demands we accept that God can limit His fleshly incarnation from knowing certain things.

The way I see it, anyway.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by mfblume

That is basically what I said in my latest post. His flesh is his humanity.

so let's take it a step further...

His human mind didn't know all things, yet His spirit was omniscient.

Yet He could say that He had seen Abraham, thus had knowledge of His preexistence.

Since He didn't know the hour of His return, He must have lived by faith that all things would eventually be fulfilled. I think His lack of knowledge proves He had to live by faith, even though He displayed more knowledge than a normal human.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm answering my own question, I'm literally gaining understanding as I type...

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I think you hit the nail on the head, DM!