The Next General Superintendant of the UPC Will Be - Page 9

bkstokes · #81 09-15-2009, 12:34 PM

IMHO

The UPC is a dying organization.

Phil Stearns · #82 09-15-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bkstokes

IMHO

The UPC is a dying organization.

That does not sound like a "humble" opinion. What do you base this "opinion" on?
How could you even be aware of the condition of the entire UPCI?

notofworks · #83 09-15-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil Stearns

That does not sound like a "humble" opinion. What do you base this "opinion" on?
How could you even be aware of the condition of the entire UPCI?

I heard that last year at General Conference there were 48 fewer people than the previous year. See there.....it's dying!!!

tstew · #84 09-15-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

I heard that last year at General Conference there were 48 fewer people than the previous year. See there.....it's dying!!!

Well, our local congregation grew by more than that last year so I guess we make up the difference there

Phil Stearns · #85 09-15-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew

Well, our local congregation grew by more than that last year so I guess we make up the difference there

THAT'S what I'm talking about, Stew!

tstew · #86 09-15-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil Stearns

That does not sound like a "humble" opinion. What do you base this "opinion" on?
How could you even be aware of the condition of the entire UPCI?

Now to be fair, bk did not specify that the "H" stands for "humble" It could stand for "honest"...

...or "happy"...

bkstokes · #87 09-15-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil Stearns

That does not sound like a "humble" opinion. What do you base this "opinion" on?
How could you even be aware of the condition of the entire UPCI?

I have no statistics or formal studies on the matter. I have just seen many bright and talented leaders leave the UPC.

Thanks for that Stew.

oletime · #88 09-15-2009, 07:31 PM

dying ? to quote a famous athlete, when asked how he was ? he said" day to day" the reporter said, "aint we all "

Neck · #89 09-16-2009, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Phil Stearns

That does not sound like a "humble" opinion. What do you base this "opinion" on?
How could you even be aware of the condition of the entire UPCI?

Open up the 2008 World Almanac and you will see the UPC has been in a steady and rapid decline. The AOG over the same period has grown year over year. The AOG has 4 times the number churches. The UPC for the first time did not estimate their membership numbers.

(2008) AOG Churches 12,084 membership 2,627,029
(2008) UPC Churches 3,790 membership not provided.

The numbers speak for themselves.

I remember Marvin Hicks at the 1975 General Conference (I was 11 and it was in Ft Worth where we lived) getting a standing ovation, he said "At the growth rate of the UPC we will overtake the AOG by 1980". Then again Marvin Hicks is no longer UPCI for various reasons, but his prophetic statement is still not true 29 years later then his prediction for 1980.

notofworks · #90 09-16-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Neck

Open up the 2008 World Almanac and you will see the UPC has been in a steady and rapid decline. The AOG over the same period has grown year over year. The AOG has 4 times the number churches. The UPC for the first time did not estimate their membership numbers.

(2008) AOG Churches 12,084 membership 2,627,029
(2008) UPC Churches 3,790 membership not provided.

The numbers speak for themselves.

I remember Marvin Hicks at the 1975 General Conference (I was 11 and it was in Ft Worth where we lived) getting a standing ovation, he said "At the growth rate of the UPC we will overtake the AOG by 1980". Then again Marvin Hicks is no longer UPCI for various reasons, but his prophetic statement is still not true 29 years later then his prediction for 1980.

The almanac thing is interesting. Didn't know about that.