Christianity is based on substitutionary atonement

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Gnostic Bishop

Did you see anything that was not true?

No you did not. It is not my fault that you never really thought of the disgusting theology you follow.

No theology that begins with barbaric human sacrifice is worthy.

But do not think of what you follow. You would not want you to be enlightened.

If you were an honest man, you would have answered those little questions that upset you.

Regards
DL

How you critics of the Word twist a person's points! Wow. lol. Nothing you said upset me. I just asked you a simple question. Are you another OCD missionary who just cannot keep quiet about their bitterness towards the Bible? What is your purpose saying what you do? What do you hope to accomplish? Can you not answer that?

[Gnostic Bishop]

Originally Posted by mfblume

How you critics of the Word twist a person's points! Wow. lol. Nothing you said upset me. I just asked you a simple question. Are you another OCD missionary who just cannot keep quiet about their bitterness towards the Bible? What is your purpose saying what you do? What do you hope to accomplish? Can you not answer that?

Certainly. My purpose is to reduce evil.

For the evils of religion to grow, read any scripture literally.

Any and all harmless beliefs are allowed by Gnostic Christians. We know that any myth can be internalized for good results and as esoteric ecumenists, we enjoy knowledge of all the myths that man has created about Gods.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I think you miss the point. He's not worried whether we can make it to heaven. He is asking whether it was wrong for God to punish Jesus in our place, and it most certainly would have been if God actually punished Jesus is our place.

You shouldn't limit God and say that substitutionary atonement was the only way he could have saved us from hell. He's God! He could have saved us any way he wanted.

Who is truly to blame for sin and the condition of reality itself? Who created all of this knowing what would happen? Shouldn't God take the responsibility for all of this upon His shoulders? Or does an omniscient Creator who created all of this knowing what would happen get off Scott-free and condemn us for being sinful... when we didn't ask to be born in this fallen sinful creation?

Truly... who should carry the cross for all of this? God or man? What would be real justice?

I see a God willing to take on flesh and take responsibility for all of this on His own shoulders and suffer for mankind's sin... because after all... He willingly created all of this knowing the end from the beginning.

[Gnostic Bishop]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Who is truly to blame for sin and the condition of reality itself? Who created all of this knowing what would happen? Shouldn't God take the responsibility for all of this upon His shoulders? Or does an omniscient Creator who created all of this knowing what would happen get off Scott-free and condemn us for being sinful... when we didn't ask to be born in this fallen sinful creation?

Truly... who should carry the cross for all of this? God or man? What would be real justice?

I see a God willing to take on flesh and take responsibility for all of this on His own shoulders and suffer for mankind's sin... because after all... He willingly created all of this knowing the end from the beginning.

How is God, --- by killing the vast majority of us in the lake of fire, taking responsibility for what he created?

He must really hate the sinners he created instead of hating the sin.

Regards
DL

[Truthseeker]

"God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself.." Enough said!

[Gnostic Bishop]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

"God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself.." Enough said!

Lord lord why have you forsaken me.

I do my fathers will and not my own.

If all you have is thoughtless dogma and your scripted garbage then you might want to ignore me. I think whereas you do not. It would not be a fair debate.

BTW. This is not a criticism of your name, I do not play those games. but just a question.

How can you be seeking truth when you are an idol worshiper who thinks he has found God? What truth do you seek that your idol does not provide?

Regards
DL

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Gnostic Bishop

How is God, --- by killing the vast majority of us in the lake of fire, taking responsibility for what he created?

He must really hate the sinners he created instead of hating the sin.

Regards
DL

God took it upon Himself through substitutionary atonement and propitiation to provide a way of escape through the Gospel.

Sin must be judged. For those who accept Christ, sin was judged upon the cross. For those who do not... they stand before Him fully responsible for their own choices, including the choice not to accept His substitutionary atonement.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Gnostic Bishop

Lord lord why have you forsaken me.

I do my fathers will and not my own.

If all you have is thoughtless dogma and your scripted garbage then you might want to ignore me. I think whereas you do not. It would not be a fair debate.

BTW. This is not a criticism of your name, I do not play those games. but just a question.

How can you be seeking truth when you are an idol worshiper who thinks he has found God? What truth do you seek that your idol does not provide?

Regards
DL

All I see here is gnostic dogma vs. biblical dogma. Unless you are willing to honestly consider the point of the Bible's message... you're guilty of the very sin you accuse Seeker of.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Gnostic Bishop

You ignore all the places where Jesus says he is doing his fathers work and his will and not his own.

Go lie to yourself elsewhere. I seek those who read what the word says and not what you want the words to say.

You must be a fool if you think God's justice includes punishing the innocent instead of the guilty.

Show us how that works and how a fool would explain such a just method of judging.

Regards
DL

I'm ignoring nothing. He did do God's will. But he did it of his own free will. "I lay my life down. I take it up again."

Paul said "the life I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the son of God who loved me and gave himself for me."

You also forget that the saving gospel is not just the death of Christ, but his resurrection. In fact, we base our salvation on his resurrection,not his death. Again Paul said...

For if, when we were enemies, we were to reconciled God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. (Romans 5:8)

So you really do not even understand the gospel. But let's face it. Your real beef is the "thou shalt nots". You want to do those things and you resent the fact that those commandments condemn you. You are angry that God won't accept you even if you violate his laws. You want to be "good enough as you are" and the thought that such a terrible price had to be paid for you only makes you more resentful. You are the epitome of self righteousness. You killed Christ, not God.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Gnostic Bishop

How is God, --- by killing the vast majority of us in the lake of fire, taking responsibility for what he created?

He must really hate the sinners he created instead of hating the sin.

Regards
DL

Yes he is angry with the wicked every day. But his anger will be kindled even more on judgment day against those who did not esteem his son and the sacrifice he made as something of value but rather chose to face judgment in the filthy rags of their own righteousness. That would be you. Yes, all your cockiness and arguments are gong to melt away like wax on that day. The only thing coming out of your mouth will be, "Jesus Christ is Lord!!" as your knee bows before him.