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Old 06-16-2008, 08:31 AM
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Re: Question For My Oneness Friends...

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I know AG has mentioned that he was a member of Marvin Treece's church for years. However, I also saw him write that he now considers himself a trinitarian.
How? I mean, when I came out of the trinitarian church, I could clearly see the Oneness of God. Now, I am not about to condemn someone who does not see it as clearly as I do, but when one completely reverts back to trinity doctrine, and is willing to cast Oneness aside, I draw the line there.
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Old 06-16-2008, 09:27 AM
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Re: Question For My Oneness Friends...

http://bible.cc/luke/8-18.htm

When we do not value that which we have heard and received, or even as
children that which we have been priviledge to have been taught, there are
alternatives.

As a child I did not always understand everything I was taught or heard from
the hearing of the Word. As I grew I trusted in the ones who taught me and
endeavored to followed them as they followed Christ. By no means was I
perfect, but did have a respectful fear and reverence for my parents. I knew
they served God and endeavored to obey His Word and I feared not to obey
them. It was not an unhealthy fear.

Those was my parents, my grandmother, her sister and other godly people who
I had confidence in because I saw their lives. I felt their love and concern for
me.

As I grew older, I still did not understand all I heard, but I was learning that if
I would just wait, I would later began as I was maturing, to better understand.
Instead of turning and going away from those teaching, I began to read God's
Word for myself and ask the Lord to open my understanding that I might under-
stand the Word.

It seems that many, when they go away too young, or marry and go away before
they are fully mature, turn. and start following others influence. which are many
times totally contrary to what they have learned from those who birthed them and
loved them.

How many would like to raise your children only to have them marry into a family
that does not share your faith and have your children turned away from all you
have taught them from a child. If you turned, they will probably turn further away
than you did.

This is not to offend, but I can see how these things happen. Someone raised in
the Oneness faith and goes away from it, I think the Luke 8:18 may apply.

My late grandmother who was a tremendous influence would say, "If we don't love
and walk in the truth that we have, we will lose even that we SEEM to have".

My late father, also probably the most influential person in my life, would say,
"There are alternatives to serving God in spirit and in truth". And we saw sad
stories through the years.

Children would come to our Sunday School and children's church and when they
would began to feel their need of God and want to be baptized in Jesus Name,
their parents would rise up and forbid them to come back. Some instances, the
teenagers reported their parents suddenly said they could go to any church but
that church. Later some parents would want my father to talk to their son on his
way to prison. Or talk to their daughter who........! The stories were so sad.

That man or woman your child is dating or marrying may not have a background
of truth. They could influence your child away from God. Who will influence your
grandchildren or future grandchildren. There comes a time YOUR influence will have
either taken or not taken.

May our Great Lord God give us wisdom and help us and help us teach our children
to "Remember NOW thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come
not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them".
Eccles. 12:1

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Old 06-16-2008, 09:52 AM
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Re: Question For My Oneness Friends...

It is a valid question for anyone to ask. We must be able to answer the difficult questions sincere people have.
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Old 06-16-2008, 10:17 AM
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Re: Question For My Oneness Friends...

These are many of the answers that I expected to receive. I'm not here to argue. I just wanted to see what you'd say. I was raised in oneness all my life and preached it for a number of years. It still amazes me though when I look back and realize that I used to be one. It also amazes me how the scriptures are manipulated to justify your doctrine.

Thanks for all of your input. It will be helpful in what I'm doing.
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Old 06-16-2008, 10:42 AM
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Re: Question For My Oneness Friends...

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These are many of the answers that I expected to receive. I'm not here to argue. I just wanted to see what you'd say. I was raised in oneness all my life and preached it for a number of years. It still amazes me though when I look back and realize that I used to be one. It also amazes me how the scriptures are manipulated to justify your doctrine.

Thanks for all of your input. It will be helpful in what I'm doing.
Scriptures manipulated?! OK, I have to go to the grocery store in a bit, but when I get back, I will gladly show the error of your reasoning in this, from the standpoint of a former trinitarian preacher.

Good grief folks! This one is gonna get busy real fast.
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Old 06-16-2008, 10:53 AM
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These are many of the answers that I expected to receive. I'm not here to argue. I just wanted to see what you'd say. I was raised in oneness all my life and preached it for a number of years. It still amazes me though when I look back and realize that I used to be one. It also amazes me how the scriptures are manipulated to justify your doctrine.

Thanks for all of your input. It will be helpful in what I'm doing.
1 John 2:19
(19) They went out from us, but they were not of us: for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

I am willing to discuss this verse and will in a future post (I have to go to an appointment now), BUT it is absurd to try and prove the existence of a Trinity upon ONE passage of scripture. The immensity of the scriptures PLAINLY declare that God is NOT three persons.

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Old 06-16-2008, 11:26 AM
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Re: Question For My Oneness Friends...

Revalations also talks about the 7 spirits of God. it also talks about little men with wings and stingers and wild beasts with mulitple animal bodies and horns and harlots and all kind of things that are sympolic and not meant to be taken as a literal physical embodiment of reality.
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Old 06-16-2008, 11:38 AM
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These are many of the answers that I expected to receive. I'm not here to argue. I just wanted to see what you'd say. I was raised in oneness all my life and preached it for a number of years. It still amazes me though when I look back and realize that I used to be one. It also amazes me how the scriptures are manipulated to justify your doctrine.

Thanks for all of your input. It will be helpful in what I'm doing.
**groan!!**

It's sad that this guy actually thinks he's now "englightened" now that he has given himself over to the Trinity doctrine.

If he thinks this Revelation 5 passage is supposed to be an indicator of God the Son and God the Father, he is making the same error so many Trinitarians do. This passage is no more an indicator of 3 divine persons than is than is the passage that describes the baptism of Jesus (Father spoke/ Spirit came down as a dove) . I would spend the time to explain his error to him, but I dont think it would do much good. I'll let someone else do so if they want to take the time.

I really feel sad for the man, though. When a man walks away from truth and thinks he has some kind of "revelation" from the Lord, that is an unfortunate state of affairs.
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Old 06-16-2008, 12:18 PM
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These are many of the answers that I expected to receive. I'm not here to argue. I just wanted to see what you'd say. I was raised in oneness all my life and preached it for a number of years. It still amazes me though when I look back and realize that I used to be one. It also amazes me how the scriptures are manipulated to justify your doctrine.

Thanks for all of your input. It will be helpful in what I'm doing.
I am a very conscientious person, sometimes to my own detriment. However, I stand strong in the knowledge that God is one. My trinity friends and brethren (yes, I do consider trinity believers my brethren), when I ask them about their beliefs, 99% will mirror almost exactly a Oneness position. I ask them sincerely if it would matter if they substituted manifestations for persons in the description of God and most say that they accept it.

I am Oneness to the core. I forever will be such. This truth is very precious to me. However, I will not condemn someone who has sincere faith in Christ but does not have a correct understanding of who Jesus is in totality. This nonsense between Oneness and Trinity really needs to stop. If we would lay aside our predetermined mindsets about one another, and come out and describe our beliefs in openness, we would see such minute differences that it would not be funny.

And, the following might cause me grief on the board but so be it. I would minister the Gospel in a trinity church the same as I would in a Oneness church. The response would be the same, in souls repenting and being converted. Most churches I know would allow Jesus name baptism because it is written in the Bible. Yes, these are my brethren, and I claim them as such.

So, AG, if you come on here to engage in a dialog concerning oneness vs. trinity, then might I advise you to serious think about how much you might lose in so doing?

As I said in the previous post, I am a former trinity preacher, and that means I used to be a minister in a trinity church. They had the Holy Ghost, just like us, spoke in tongues, just like us, and got saved just like us. The difference comes in when we minor on the majors, and major on the minors.

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Old 06-16-2008, 03:36 PM
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Re: Question For My Oneness Friends...

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Read this passage of scripture carefully and think about what you're reading.

Rev 5:1 - 7:Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, "Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?" But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. Then one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals." Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. He came and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.
NIV

A couple of questions. First of all, who is the Lamb? He's Jesus... I believe we can all agree on that, right?

But notice, it says that He (the Lamb, Jesus) came and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. Now who is it that's sitting on the throne that Jesus, the Lamb is taking the scroll from?

Just wondering what your answers may be...

Oh!!!! Oh!!!! I know this one!!!! Can I answer it? Please Please????!!!!!
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